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Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by torben-friis »

satysin wrote: post #48
knolan wrote: post #5

It’s shocking how expensive Macs have gotten. I paid around €2300 for my 2014 15” and today’s equivalent tier is over €3k. For this I get a faster thinner machine without MagSafe and a variety of ports. It seems that the only viable upgrade path is to convince your employer to stump up the cash.

I have a new 15" MBP on order at £3300. I also have a similar spec XPS 15 which cost me £2600. So yes the MBP is £700. The XPS also has a better CPU (i9-8950HK) but that is kind of a waste, I only got it with that because Dell basically upgraded me to it for free. However I have had no end of issues with my XPS 15. To the point that I have had enough and I am returning it for a refund and will pickup something else.…

>To be honest I am fine with pay £700 more for a machine that doesn't develop a problem with the spacebar after 11 days as well as all the other problems I have had.

I'd argue that is a bad comparison. You're basically judging them both on a vacuum (since one is x amount more expensive but gives me reliability, that X extra is justified). but putting those two devices in context, if we take a look at earlier models, we see that macs have increased enormously in price without providing an equivalent amount of improvements.

For me it's more of a case of a company abusing it's status as leader, while others are unable to provide a real alternative.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by 21 »

threeseed wrote: post #49
asdsa5325 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you are getting downvoted, you are right. A mac is a status symbol. If you wanted a good system, you could get far more than a mac can give with the same price.

Such nonsense. Please show me a laptop with the same quality trackpad and an operating system that works as well with my iOS devices e.g. AirDrop, Continuity, iCloud Notes, Photos, Keychain. And of course one that has perfect driver support and supports apps like Pixelmator and Omnigraffle.

Your requirements sound like those rigged bids in corrupted countries where the bid book conditions are like "car length to be between 2531 mm and 2533 mm" and "car weight between 1203 kg and 1205 kg"

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by agumonkey »

matt4077 wrote: post #7
agumonkey wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because the 'market' decided that style was valueable and io was meh. a bit like cellphones with glued batteries, they removed 'user replaceable' for thinness.

...which happened just around the time batteries became good enough for both daily use, as well as a phone’s typical lifespan. 10 years or so ago, a three-year old cell phone battery would still be good for maybe three or four hours per charge. Today, I’m using a 5-year old iPhone that still gets through a typical day on a single charge. There are also battery cases, or external battery banks, whose introduction has…

well it just happen that my moto g1 battery died so I had to find a supplier (harder since it's not a shelf part anymore) and disassemble the phone (the battery is still glued, I'm waiting for the replacement to do that).

all your points are valid though, but still I like a bit of swappability.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by ryukafalz »

threeseed wrote: post #49
asdsa5325 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you are getting downvoted, you are right. A mac is a status symbol. If you wanted a good system, you could get far more than a mac can give with the same price.

Such nonsense. Please show me a laptop with the same quality trackpad and an operating system that works as well with my iOS devices e.g. AirDrop, Continuity, iCloud Notes, Photos, Keychain. And of course one that has perfect driver support and supports apps like Pixelmator and Omnigraffle.

>And of course one that has perfect driver support

I've used MBPs daily for the last few years and occasionally have issues when hotplugging external (Apple) displays. Nothing has perfect driver support.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by agumonkey »

bollockitis wrote: post #10
agumonkey wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because the 'market' decided that style was valueable and io was meh. a bit like cellphones with glued batteries, they removed 'user replaceable' for thinness.

Thinness does have some value for phones. For laptops, there's certainly a market for ultra portable machines but Apple seems to have forgotten that some of us use our computers for work and are willing to trade off thinness for practical usability.

same goes for smartphones, sadly the market has a tendency to align with 'stupid' goals and so no more production of non-thin devices. I'd be very happy with a thicker phone (larger battery, more shock resilience and even... some buttons)

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by matthewmacleod »

asdsa5325 wrote: post #46
21 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rolex or Gucci isn't cheap either. If you want to look successful, you need to spend the money.

Not sure why you are getting downvoted, you are right. A mac is a status symbol. If you wanted a good system, you could get far more than a mac can give with the same price.

You are repeatedly doing this dumb “Apple fanboys” shit on this thread - please stop, it’s totally valueless.

Macs are more expensive than most equivalently-specced PCs. There are reasonable trade offs - things like good support, MacOS support, and build quality - and it’s totally understandable that some people think that’s worth the money.

How about more time trying to understand that people have different requirements from you, and less time being a cliché?

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by agumonkey »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #8
agumonkey wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because the 'market' decided that style was valueable and io was meh. a bit like cellphones with glued batteries, they removed 'user replaceable' for thinness.

> they removed 'user replaceable' for thinness Also better water resistance.

no way to have sealed covers ? (open question)

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by bdowling »

csydas wrote: post #25
bluedino wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macs have never been cheap. There was a period where the Air (at Let’s go back in time to when the choices were the $1799 12” PowerBook, $2199 15” PowerBook, or the $1299 iBook

Truthfully, it's why I'm very sad that the Air looks to be discontinued. I'm still using a 2012 MacBook Air, and it was quite possibly the least stressful computer purchase I ever made. $1000 and some change to get a computer that has just worked magnificently for nearly 6 years now without missing a beat. I walked into an Apple Store, told the Apple employee I wanted a 4 gb MacBook Air, and in 5 minutes I walked out…

Why do you think that the Air is discontinued? They're still up for sale on Apple's site. The most recent updates were apparently in 2017.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by matthewmacleod »

pteredactyl wrote: post #28

Cons: Keyboard, Touch bar, lack of ports, cost Pro: Great display. Build quality. MacOS It's too bad all the cons except cost are new to the latest generation ( post-2015 ) MBP.

I’ve been using one for six months - in my experience, the keyboard is awesome to the point that I hate going back to my other, older machine.

I reckon there’s been a bit of an unfair perpetuation of this idea that it’s particularly bad, though I accept that some other people have different tastes!

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by sircastor »

bluedino wrote: post #11
knolan wrote: post #5

It’s shocking how expensive Macs have gotten. I paid around €2300 for my 2014 15” and today’s equivalent tier is over €3k. For this I get a faster thinner machine without MagSafe and a variety of ports. It seems that the only viable upgrade path is to convince your employer to stump up the cash.

Macs have never been cheap. There was a period where the Air (at Let’s go back in time to when the choices were the $1799 12” PowerBook, $2199 15” PowerBook, or the $1299 iBook

I remember looking through some numbers and realizing that my father paid somewhere around $6000 for our IIci in 1989.
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