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Re: Ask HN: Living overseas with a profitable online business

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I have a UK business and we decided with my wife to travel around the world. We could have saved a lot on our taxes by claiming non-residency etc. but in the end we didn't. We set our business virtual office as our home and all our mail goes there. So far we are having time of our life, travelled 3 months in USA & Canada and currently in Ecuador.

The difficulties we have are: - troubles with virtual offce - if you decide for virtual office choose carefuly - its very frustrating if you need to change the address while being abroad - time to actually do any work - there is so much to see in the world and having motivation to keep building your business is tough

Things we thought we would have difficulty but they are fine: - internet connection - all around USA & Canada we had wifi everywhere + I bought Verizon mobile internet + ATT data package for iPhone and so wired 24/7 . Also, in South AMerica - Ecuador, you can buy prepaid mobile internet for good price and its reliable - I thought the business will suffer but so far its doing better than before and it probably helped me to realize that if I want to grow my business - I need to hire good people and trust them to do a good job. - pretending you are in UK - I thought I will have hard time in getting new business / contracts signed - but other companies don't mind - in fact I signed biggest clients while being in a campsite in mountains of Canada. all contracts can be Fedexed etc.. no problem at all

Re: Ask HN: Living overseas with a profitable online business

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It seems to me all the answers so far make it look far more complicated than what it actually is. What I've done is just travel as tourist staying in each country around 3 months. When I "lived" in Chile I just took weekend 'visa vacations' to Argentina and had my stay extended for another 90 days. Nothing changed in terms of taxes for me, since I never really become resident of another country. Earning money online…

How did you like living in Peru? I've thought about getting an apartment there for a short while and work on developing my business.

I can recommend Ecuador. I am currently living on the beach in luxurious apartment with see view, swimming pool, safe gated community , 2Mbit internet connection for $900. All done through AirBnb

Re: Ask HN: Living overseas with a profitable online business

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Don't try working from Brazil; I tried doing it, but I just spend the whole year going out, partying and the beach. Never got any work done, but was the best year of my life.

Or you can go to a place in Brazil where there is no Beach ;-) Just curious, where in Brazil you went?

Re: Ask HN: Living overseas with a profitable online business

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I've looked into this myself to some depth and also have some friends based over in Asia and Sydney doing exactly what you are intending, from my conversations with them the most overriding issue they have complained about is the weakness of the pound, especially in Aus where it has gone from 2.5AUD/£ to about 1.6AUD/£ in a little over 14months. That being said thats really the only grumble I hear, the quality of lif…

As someone on the other end of that trade, living in AUD while earning USD has been incredibly difficult in the last two years, and it's not going to get any better anytime soon.

The irony is I passed on buying a flat in London because I was worried the AUD would get weaker and I wouldn't be able to afford the repayments.

Re: Ask HN: Living overseas with a profitable online business

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I've been considering an arrangement like this too, only I've heard a number of stories about people who kept taking "weekend" trips to renew their 90 day visas only to one day not be able to re-enter the country. I've overstayed an EU visa and no one seemed to care (I was traveling so much between EU countries that I honestly wasn't even thinking about it) but if you overstay somewhere like Singapore you can literally get caned. I'd look into countries where there are easier ways to get >90 day tourist visas, like Cambodia or Hong Kong.

Re: Ask HN: Living overseas with a profitable online business

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I've been doing that for a few years now, first working in Japan, then living for some time in Malaysia, Thailand and China before deciding on settling here for some time.. For Japan, I was working there for a Japanese company so it's a bit different... For visas in Malaysia and Thailand, I just switched between both countries for 2-3 months at a time (but stayed more in Malaysia), so I didn't need a visa for such a…

> Since, my official country of residence at the time was france, I didn't have to pay any taxes. I'm sorry, but I have hard time believing that. Since you were still a resident of France I'm sure you have to pay some tax to France in some shape or form.

Being a resident and being a tax resident are two completely different things. There are a few Asian countries (I believe Thailand) is one where you only pay tax on income if you're classified as a permanent resident. If you're on something like a 90 day business visa then Thai tax laws don't apply.

Contrast that with somewhere like the UK where you're deemed a tax resident only if you've been resident in the country for >= 178 days in the financial year (regardless of visa status). Combine the two scenarios, carefully managed, you can greatly reduce the amount of tax you pay.

It cuts both ways though. Somewhere like Australia which has a different tax year to the UK and it's possible to incur a tax liability in both the UK and Australia. You'd need to submit a return in both places, thankfully they have a tax treaty with each other to avoid paying double but you'll still need to submit returns to both.

But back to the OP, it's exactly this kind of approach wealthy individuals use to avoid paying taxes. Claim tax residence in a country that only wants your money if you're actually living there, live somewhere else that only wants your money if you're earning it in that country.

Re: Ask HN: Living overseas with a profitable online business

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Check out expat forums--there are a whole host of countries (largely Latin American) where you can live there on a tourist visa; every 90 days you take a weekend trip to a neighboring country and get a new tourist visa. Since you have an online business you won't be working in the local economy so work authorizations and the like won't be a problem. Also, these countries tend to be really cheap. I know a woman who li…

Another good source is online poker forums. The biggest is 2+2. Plenty of card players have moved abroad and play remotely.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/92/travel/

Re: Ask HN: Living overseas with a profitable online business

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Well you can start a corporation in singapore, panama, labuan or others. All foreign income not repatriated to singapore (i.e, it goes in a bank account in HK instead of singapore) is tax free. Panama corporations do have any tax in all income not derived from Panama. Labuan (in Malaysia) has an other low tax structure.

To avoid UK (and Canadian) residents doing a run around on their tax system with these corporations, any corporation who's 'top management' is majority run by residents in the UK (or in the UK) is taxed as if it is a UK corporation. Since your going to be away from the UK, you can remove your UK resident status (you have to do this properly, they can get you with things like still being registered to the NHS or having a residence in the UK still that isn't purely investment property, etc, etc). Once you loose your UK residence (you still stay as a UK citizen forever, your just not resident) your corporation will not have that tax status in the UK, and you do not have to pay taxes to the UK for your worldwide personal income. I don't know how it works when you move around in the EU, it can be different.

You can then travel the world as a resident of nowhere and be mostly tax free, with the majority of your income staying in your corporation, and drawing a living expenses income from the corporation. How you want to structure that income (being a corporate expense or personal income), and report it to the country your currently in depends on you and what your doing. It being an online business of you and your laptop, practically you'll not get any problems from working online on whatever tourist visa your using, since it's virtually undetectable and you don't really have to interact with their economy locally. Especially if it is only for one or two visa stays and a developing country. How you deal with that is up to you.

If you are going to plan which countries your going to, getting a tourist visa before you leave at an embassy in the UK will be useful, since you can get extra long visa stays vs the stamps you get arriving in the airport. For example you could get a triple entry tourist visa from thailand for free which would get you 3x2month stays in thailand. Your not going to get that from a embassy anywhere near thailand, but somewhere far like the UK would be a lot more likely.

For health insurance you can try to get an annual international travel insurance policy if you want to be covered.

I am not a lawyer and you should do your own research, but I hope this helps.

Re: Ask HN: Living overseas with a profitable online business

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Tunisia (My country) may be a good place for you. When re-searching on how to start my own company, I found out that non-residents can easily form a company over the Internet and submit all papers (even without being here). Taxes are 10% but if you sign before 2011, you'll pay no taxes for 10 years.

Here's the website in question: http://www.tunisianindustry.nat.tn/en/home.asp It's in English and has lot of useful information. There is a section for online services and they'll answer your email within 24/48 hours. The cost is $100 or so, to form the company.

Life in Tunisia is good but not that cheap. You'll also miss your reliable Internet connection (though Water/Electricity are a lot reliable). The weather and food are good. Public services sucks, so you'll need your own car (for example), private medical care, ...

Re: Ask HN: Living overseas with a profitable online business

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Absolutely don't buy a RTW ticket. Definitely go around the world, but do it by purchasing a single one-way ticket. Travel overland as much as you can and when you hit the end of a continent, buy another one-way ticket to the next. There's nothing worse than having a date on a calendar. It will mess up your trip over and over again, even if it's months in the future. Avoid dates at all costs. Get to the first place a…

RTW tickets are cost effective. You can usually pay some extra money to massage the dates, and it'll probably still be cheaper than buying tons of tickets (at least when I bought one... not sure how the prices have changes since)

Yeah, exactly. When I had my RTW ticket you were buying a certain number of miles, a certain number of stops, and 12 months to get back to where you started. You had to book an itinerary when you started, but were free to change it as you went along...

It's waaaay cheaper than buying a series of one way tickets, assuming you make it around half way in to your itinerary (and there's nothing to say you have to use the last leg to take you home - abandon the ticket if going home somehow means your traveling will finish forever).

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