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Cognitive Distortions of People Who Get Stuff Done (2012) [pdf]

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Post by dabbledash »

scythe wrote: post #17
ggm wrote: post #7

Yes, I think there are at least five. So this is a list of at least five, but not the five I think. Several of them feel like variations of the same theme: I know I'm right, so I can disregard evidence|opinion|counter-argument because .. an axiom of the system is I know I'm right. If I had a sixth, it would be the tendency to latch onto a mantra. "think different" doesn't really mean very much, but boy, successful pe…

>seventh might be they believe implicitly they are the smartest person in the room As a person with contrarian tendencies who has occasionally been accused of "implicitly believing" I'm the smartest guy in the room, I think it's important to recognize there's a difference between trusting your own reasoning and thinking you're smarter than everybody else. You can mostly avoid the latter by learning strategies that he…

Love these. Another thing I find useful is asking myself “what evidence would make me change my mind?”

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Post by liamzebedee »

mariopt wrote: post #9

I found the slide for "Cognitive behaviour model of depression" very interesting, it's probably the best visualisation of depression taking over someones mind leading to a paralysis where simple tasks become something else and chaos emerges. Ego does, sometimes, gets in the way of getting things done but without it we wouldn't care to launch anything new/groundbreaking. Without our Ego as creator, we would have no so…

We had a thread a couple weeks ago "What interesting thought did you read on HN but couldn't find later?" - I'm wondering if anyone can help me rediscover this Wikipedia article.

It was a theory on the cognitive bias of depression/anxiety, applied to the locus/worldview of someone, wherein a person interprets with a smaller outlook on the future i.e. the opposite of "looking at the bigger picture".

I've found many anecdotal parallels in people I know, but am absolutely teething to find this article.

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Post by DoreenMichele »

fzzzy wrote: post #12
austincheney wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal exceptionalism is when everybody tells you how and wrong and stupid you are and regardless you produce a superior product or convention. It wouldn't happen if you actually listened to the idiots around you. Arrogance is telling the people around you how they are idiots instead of producing a superior product or convention. Think about it in terms of your performance (output) instead of your opinions (what yo…

Thanks. How does that apply to high self esteem? Someone who talks a lot about how great they are projects high self esteem outward, while someone with an internal attitude of personal exceptionalism just gets stuff done and doesn’t brag about it? This is very interesting and subtle.

If you are in actual fact a statistical outlier, you learn to stop listening to naysayers. You don't need to argue with them. In most cases, what they think doesn't really matter.

If you told Bill Gates "You can't do X" and he had already done it many times over, well, why should he waste time arguing with you?

You can also be arrogant on top of that. But you don't have to be arrogant to believe your track record justifies an assessment that the limits that normally apply won't apply to you, or won't necessarily apply, thus it merits trying anyway.

Such people tend to find their limits by smacking into them at 100 miles an hour and it is usually not pretty. They do this because they just can't trust the judgement of other people who have told them countless times "You can't do X." only to be proven definitely wrong.

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Post by bleigh0 »

make3 wrote: post #18

Very bold claims, and little data in the presentation. This is extremely soft

Fair, would be interesting to see the data. I stumbled across this because the founder of an incubator in the UK called Entrepreneur First cited it as something they used to think about applicants. (Their USP is they don't look for teams or ideas but instead pure technical talent or people with domain expertise). [https://youtu.be/RhE_0ZRBq4Q?t=2574]

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Post by ggm »

scythe wrote: post #17
ggm wrote: post #7

Yes, I think there are at least five. So this is a list of at least five, but not the five I think. Several of them feel like variations of the same theme: I know I'm right, so I can disregard evidence|opinion|counter-argument because .. an axiom of the system is I know I'm right. If I had a sixth, it would be the tendency to latch onto a mantra. "think different" doesn't really mean very much, but boy, successful pe…

>seventh might be they believe implicitly they are the smartest person in the room As a person with contrarian tendencies who has occasionally been accused of "implicitly believing" I'm the smartest guy in the room, I think it's important to recognize there's a difference between trusting your own reasoning and thinking you're smarter than everybody else. You can mostly avoid the latter by learning strategies that he…

Yes, I listen for words like "clearly" or "obviously" or "unquestionably" and invert them to test the mental water.

But I think you missed that the leaders in this space, get so few contradictory signals that apart from hired geniuses, and they can always fall back on "I have higher social smarts" -these aside, I think they get positive confirmation bias.

I often believe I'm the smartest person in the room right up until I open my mouth...

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Post by spullara »

liamzebedee wrote: post #22
mariopt wrote: post #9

I found the slide for "Cognitive behaviour model of depression" very interesting, it's probably the best visualisation of depression taking over someones mind leading to a paralysis where simple tasks become something else and chaos emerges. Ego does, sometimes, gets in the way of getting things done but without it we wouldn't care to launch anything new/groundbreaking. Without our Ego as creator, we would have no so…

We had a thread a couple weeks ago "What interesting thought did you read on HN but couldn't find later?" - I'm wondering if anyone can help me rediscover this Wikipedia article. It was a theory on the cognitive bias of depression/anxiety, applied to the locus/worldview of someone, wherein a person interprets with a smaller outlook on the future i.e. the opposite of "looking at the bigger picture". I've found many an…

Maybe this one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck%27s_cognitive_triad

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Post by matthewwiese »

liamzebedee wrote: post #22
mariopt wrote: post #9

I found the slide for "Cognitive behaviour model of depression" very interesting, it's probably the best visualisation of depression taking over someones mind leading to a paralysis where simple tasks become something else and chaos emerges. Ego does, sometimes, gets in the way of getting things done but without it we wouldn't care to launch anything new/groundbreaking. Without our Ego as creator, we would have no so…

We had a thread a couple weeks ago "What interesting thought did you read on HN but couldn't find later?" - I'm wondering if anyone can help me rediscover this Wikipedia article. It was a theory on the cognitive bias of depression/anxiety, applied to the locus/worldview of someone, wherein a person interprets with a smaller outlook on the future i.e. the opposite of "looking at the bigger picture". I've found many an…

In addition to spullara's Beck link, the "construal level theory" seemed to ring true to what you were describing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construal_level_theory

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Post by rossdavidh »

Hypothesis: the "people who get stuff done" are a subset of a larger group with the same personality and talents, but without as much luck. Those other people are known by unprintable names, because they have no great successes to make people ignore the fact that they're jerks.

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Post by andai »

liamzebedee wrote: post #22
mariopt wrote: post #9

I found the slide for "Cognitive behaviour model of depression" very interesting, it's probably the best visualisation of depression taking over someones mind leading to a paralysis where simple tasks become something else and chaos emerges. Ego does, sometimes, gets in the way of getting things done but without it we wouldn't care to launch anything new/groundbreaking. Without our Ego as creator, we would have no so…

We had a thread a couple weeks ago "What interesting thought did you read on HN but couldn't find later?" - I'm wondering if anyone can help me rediscover this Wikipedia article. It was a theory on the cognitive bias of depression/anxiety, applied to the locus/worldview of someone, wherein a person interprets with a smaller outlook on the future i.e. the opposite of "looking at the bigger picture". I've found many an…

It might be on this list?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/The_Cogn...

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