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WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Yes, they should be forced to pay for the things normally required of an employer. Including reasonable meals during business travel. The individual employee can choose on their own to be vegan or vegetarian, or to eat meat. Why should the individual rights of the employee be surpassed by the rights of the powerful employer?

If you mean "rights" in a legal context, nowhere does an employee have a right to be reimbursed . The closest governing law here is fair employment, and this isn't anywhere close to that. edit: so long as work-related expenses doesn't sum out to a minimum wage violation

>>> nowhere does an employee have a right to be reimbursed

Actually, there is. There are rules on expenses and meal. Probably not in most of the USA but the rest of the world is a thing.

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Being a vegetarian is exactly as equal a choice of freedom as being an omnivore or carnivore. This feels wrong to push this lifestyle on people. Of course one can always just not do business with We Work.

Your comment is much more polite than my knee-jerk reaction was going to be. I am thankful you made it before I made a poor comment. I have no problem recognizing climate change and the impact humanity has had on climate change, but for some reason my brain dismisses a vegetarian diet for the sake of affecting climate change as an absurdity. I don't know why. I feel I am open minded out other things related to climat…

My comment was going to be https://vimeo.com/9802538

God, PCU was lightyears ahead of its time.

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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I can't eat a lot of types of food due to allergies. Meat is one of the few things I still can eat without issue. Yes, there are actually people out there (hi, me!) that actually cannot eliminate certain foods from our diets without getting sick. This policy would prevent me from being able to work at that company, for recognized medical health reasons, because I would not be able to do legitimate expenses of food re…

Not only is it terrible from a dietary standpoint, it reveals an intolerant workplace culture that I certainly wouldn't want any part of. Most of the world, and likely most of their employees, eat meat. It shows a serious lack of connection with the real world, and a willingness on the part of management to forcefully impose extreme views on a whim. Sounds like an unhealthy place to work, even if they all become vege…

WeWork's history of firing any employee even hinting at collective bargaining or discussing employee rights in general is well known.

Whatever happened with that unpaid overtime lawsuit they got slapped with?

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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It's funny to observe the criticism on a technical forum that should be in tune with the data. WeWork is setting a policy that is on the right side of history—for animals and the environment. I didn't see a lot of criticism on Starbucks straw decision. However, when the cost is a sacrifice closer to home, even when logic doesn't support the whining, so many try to find fault with a company decision that is net positi…

Here's some criticism.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/12/starbucks-straw-ban-will-...

I hope there's more to Starbucks' plan than this, and that they've got a better lid in the works.

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Blood thirst. Of all the causes you could take up, you take arms against a group of people who (albeit, according to their own values) want to restrict budgets from going to killing animals.

You should withdraw this personal attack as it is not in keeping with the ethos of HN with which you agreed to abide. You will note that my statement was carefully neutral and did not endorse either side of the issue. WeWork also carefully did not use "blood" as a reason for their policy, instead describing it as a global warming/emissions related measure. In any case, I am more in favor of people not doing numerical…

You have a point about "you" being a personal attack, I don't see a button to delete though. Should have said, of all the causes we could take up

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Like most fake vegetarians, the policy apparently does not include any aquatic creatures like fish, squid, whales, or dolphins...even though the latter two are intelligent mammals with more capacity to feel pain than any type of poultry.

It's also already illegal to eat the latter two in the country in which WeWork operates.

WeWork operates in Tokyo as well.

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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> In an email to employees this week outlining the new policy, co-founder Miguel McKelvey said the firm’s upcoming internal "Summer Camp" retreat would offer no meat options for attendees. Unlike some commenters, I'm okay with this! But the carbon cost of flying thousands of their employees on transatlantic return flights to the UK for this Summer Camp will be orders of magnitude greater than the carbon cost of any f…

You can't fix everything at once. Whataboutism, etc.

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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It’s definitely getting more and more extreme around here. The fact that this article made it to the front page, and is generally being viewed as a good thing in the comments section, doesn’t say good things about where HN is headed.

Actually you should expect the trend to continue. More consumers are demanding vegetarian and vegan options. Restaurants are selling out of new plant-based burgers and are being encouraged by industry magazines to offer vegan options. Demand is speaking pretty clearly in fact. What was once fringe is rapidly scaling. Nice to actually see the world moving forward in a good direction on this.

I wasn’t just talking about the whole vegetarian thing. I was talking about the idea that the HN community would be in support of any extreme idea like this. If you look at Twitter, for example, almost everyone that commented on this issue thought it was absolutely absurd. Yet here is HN, mostly supporting it, simply because it’s left-leaning. It shows how out-of-touch HN is with the rest of the world. No wonder people are starting to block access to their articles when HN is the referrer [1].

[1] https://jamie.build/how-to-build-an-npm-worm

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Actually you should expect the trend to continue. More consumers are demanding vegetarian and vegan options. Restaurants are selling out of new plant-based burgers and are being encouraged by industry magazines to offer vegan options. Demand is speaking pretty clearly in fact. What was once fringe is rapidly scaling. Nice to actually see the world moving forward in a good direction on this.

I wasn’t just talking about the whole vegetarian thing. I was talking about the idea that the HN community would be in support of any extreme idea like this. If you look at Twitter, for example, almost everyone that commented on this issue thought it was absolutely absurd. Yet here is HN, mostly supporting it, simply because it’s left-leaning. It shows how out-of-touch HN is with the rest of the world. No wonder peop…

Are we reading the same comment section? Because I do not see "mostly supporting it", but lots of people arguing on both sides.

Just as I can find both people supporting it and people thinking its stupid on Twitter when randomly looking around. The "real world" doesn't appear to have a consistent opinion on this, which isn't surprising at all.

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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>Forcing your employees to only eat certain kinds of food is an intensely terrible thing to do. I absolutely agree. Fortunately, no one is doing that. WeWork employees can eat as much meat as they want. It's just that WeWork won't pay for it.

Actually, they are doing that. Its an implicit force.

Would you also say that Apple is implicitly forcing their employees to starve because they don't serve free lunch?
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