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In about 20 years, half the population will live in eight states

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I've never understood why the number of congressmen per state wasn't purely based on population. Why does land get voting rights?

I don't believe there's any better reason than wanting the small population states to sign the Constitution in the 1780s. And maybe also an attempt to protect the needs of people like farmers from being ignored, since they would live in low population states compared to urban professionals. Not saying it's a good idea.

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I've never understood why the number of congressmen per state wasn't purely based on population. Why does land get voting rights?

Individual states used to be more sovereign. It's similar to the structure of the European Parliament (where small countries have 10x as many representatives per capita as large countries), or the UN (where otherwise China and India would have 1/3 of the votes).

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I've never understood why the number of congressmen per state wasn't purely based on population. Why does land get voting rights?

(I assume you're referring to the Senate and not the House, which does do somewhat population-based apportionment)

The two-assembly structure exists because it was a compromise to not give the densely-populated states all the power in the new Republic. Crucially, this sort of compromise was important because it helped the less-populated states get on board with the whole "federal government" concept without fearing that power over their own affairs would be continually swamped by places like New York. "Land" gets voting rights because those who were in charge of that land (the state legislators) wanted it in order to sign onto the project.

This is why I find the modern media complaints trying to do away with such structures very troubling. It may be more vestigial at this point, but the setup was supposed to emphasize a collection of states rather than mere administrative subdivisions of a faraway government. Frankly, if there would be any change to the state-based system for senators, it should come with a free ability for smaller states to secede as a group; because it would be going back on the deal.

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I've never understood why the number of congressmen per state wasn't purely based on population. Why does land get voting rights?

Because you don't want the land to take it's water rights and transportation links (among other things) and go home?

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I think the complaint about the Senate having a different makeup than the House begs the question - why even have two houses in Congress? The original Constitution had State governments choose their Senators and the House was the "People's". The 17th Amendment changed that, so now we have the People choosing two different houses of Congress based on two different ways of dividing up the population, which leads to the…

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The House and the Senate will be weighted to two largely different Americas.

So, in some sense, the system works?

The whole point of having two different federal bodies based on different criteria is to try to ensure that minority populations or different demographic details of different states don't leave any population utterly without representation and a voice. The intent is that they will be forced to hash out their differences rather than just straight up letting one group run rough shod over everyone else completely unchecked.

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The House and the Senate will be weighted to two largely different Americas. So, in some sense, the system works? The whole point of having two different federal bodies based on different criteria is to try to ensure that minority populations or different demographic details of different states don't leave any population utterly without representation and a voice. The intent is that they will be forced to hash out th…

The only entities that are guaranteed representation are states. It's not obvious that statehood maps to any other demographic attribute over time.

It made sense the ensure states felt they had some guaranteed level of representation in order to get the states to agree to enter, or remain in, the union. But now that it's established precedent that states cannot leave the Union (at least without Congress) it's not clear to me that it's important to guarantee individual states anything.

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I've never understood why the number of congressmen per state wasn't purely based on population. Why does land get voting rights?

The argument I've heard is that politicians wouldn't bother campaigning or making improvements to any of the states with low population. It's political welfare.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten_and_pocket_boroughs and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apportionment_(politics) for some discussion of this issue.
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