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Air Gapping a MacBook Air: The Great BCM15700A2 Mystery

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Re: Air Gapping a MacBook Air: The Great BCM15700A2 Mystery

#31
If you really need an air gapped computer, wouldn't it make a whole lot more sense to build a desktop with some variety of ATX form factor motherboard that you can examine in detail to confirm that it has zero wireless functionality?

A Macbook Air, which is pretty much designed as a wifi-dependent network terminal, would be way down my list of hardware I would choose if I had to build an airgap lab environment.

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#32
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's not, it just seems that way to the vast majority of us who haven't developed the proper intuition.

Of course, there is the GA evolved antenna. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna

Slightly related, an FPGA circuit designed by a genetic algorithm which ended working due to analogue effects and hardware-specific magnetic flux interference.

https://www.damninteresting.com/on-the-origin-of-circuits/

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#33
post #15

This story made me realize: I haven't seen the phrase "tin-foil hat" used much in the past couple of years. Huh. Which reminded me of a quote: "For a while you wondered whether the fools were pretending to be fools as some kind of deception, or whether there was a real efficient service somewhere else. Later in my fiction, I invented one. But alas the reality was the mediocrity." — Le Carre

The NSA can see through tin now. You must upgrade to superconducting hats.

Shhhh. Don't tell them. http://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csai...

Re: Air Gapping a MacBook Air: The Great BCM15700A2 Mystery

#34
> This sounded reasonable, so I ventured to the streets of New York City to seek the help of some professionals!

If the author of the article is here - I'd suggest turning to Louis Rossmann of YouTube fame:

https://www.rossmanngroup.com/

https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup

He has the equipment and skill to repair a logic board, and may have some valuable insights about failure modes of common chips on MacBooks.

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#35
post #5

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…something that didn't look too much like an antenna… The Raspberry Pi Zero W has a perfectly serviceable antenna which is simply a cavity formed between layers of copper and two tiny capacitors which look about like grains of salt. You can read more at https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/pi-zero-w-wireless-antenna... They are designed by some very clever Swedes. http://www.proant.se/en/news.htm That second page shows…

Antenna design is total black magic. Intuition is useless here.

Antenna design is not black magic. There are a few well-understood basic patterns and you parametrize those. Some of those look quite exciting and tuning the matching network is annoying if you've never done it before but typically you use a template for an antenna design and set the parameters to what gets you best simulation results, then prototype and measure and set the matching network to match your measurements. It's not magic, it's normal everyday engineering.

Coming up with new fundamental antenna designs feels a bit black magicky to us lowly electronics people, but that's just because it's more applied physics than engineering. Here's an example of how new antenna pattern design is done: http://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...

Re: Air Gapping a MacBook Air: The Great BCM15700A2 Mystery

#36
post #15

This story made me realize: I haven't seen the phrase "tin-foil hat" used much in the past couple of years. Huh. Which reminded me of a quote: "For a while you wondered whether the fools were pretending to be fools as some kind of deception, or whether there was a real efficient service somewhere else. Later in my fiction, I invented one. But alas the reality was the mediocrity." — Le Carre

The NSA can see through tin now. You must upgrade to superconducting hats.

The great Tin Visionary Stewart Butterfield saw the writing on the wall a long time ago. Tin is in his blood, but nary a sheet of tin has rolled of his own production lines in over 30 years.

http://www.businessinsider.com/stewart-butterfield-epic-resi...

Re: Air Gapping a MacBook Air: The Great BCM15700A2 Mystery

#37

This story made me realize: I haven't seen the phrase "tin-foil hat" used much in the past couple of years. Huh. Which reminded me of a quote: "For a while you wondered whether the fools were pretending to be fools as some kind of deception, or whether there was a real efficient service somewhere else. Later in my fiction, I invented one. But alas the reality was the mediocrity." — Le Carre

David Cornwell served in MI5/MI6 in the '50s and '60s, when the game was pretty different from today. Certainly the mediocrity is still present in intelligence agencies at some level (as testified by the Manchester attack), but Snowden proved that their technical capabilities for surveillance are as good as, or even better than, a lot of people feared. This is why casually dismissing the paranoid as tinfoil-hatter is out of fashion. You will likely notice the same happening to Godwin Law right now.

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> This article isn’t about proving that though Um the article kinda is: ... so we deemed this information reliable and immediately raised some critical questions: Is there a wireless chipset soldered onto the MacBook Air’s logic board that we didn’t know about? If so, is it not actually possible to properly air gap a MacBook Air? And their methodology is a bit flawed. This made me shudder: We took out the Air’s logic…

You're judging their methodology by what they chose not to do?

If they considered it for long enough to put in the article then its clear they are amateurs in electronics.

Re: Air Gapping a MacBook Air: The Great BCM15700A2 Mystery

#40

If you really need an air gapped computer, wouldn't it make a whole lot more sense to build a desktop with some variety of ATX form factor motherboard that you can examine in detail to confirm that it has zero wireless functionality? A Macbook Air, which is pretty much designed as a wifi-dependent network terminal, would be way down my list of hardware I would choose if I had to build an airgap lab environment.

Presumably because they wanted something portable?
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