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George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Interesting tidbit: Hotz actually means thief in a few languages. I actually don’t believe this guy. He may be brilliant, but there are quite a few brilliant people working on this problem - so no.

> Interesting tidbit: Hotz actually means thief in a few languages.

You've piqued my inner language geek, but cursory Googling / Google Translate hasn't given me any luck. What language(s) would that be?

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? If you can't take your attention off the road anyway, it's basically a glorified, expensive cruise control.

Ever drive 8-12 hour days for 2 days straight? Used to do it 4-5, but sometimes up to 10, times per year. I'd pay many thousands for lane-keeping on rural interstates in a heartbeat.

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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post #12

Interesting tidbit: Hotz actually means thief in a few languages. I actually don’t believe this guy. He may be brilliant, but there are quite a few brilliant people working on this problem - so no.

> Interesting tidbit: Hotz actually means thief in a few languages. You've piqued my inner language geek, but cursory Googling / Google Translate hasn't given me any luck. What language(s) would that be?

Romanian

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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This guy is all talk and represents one problem with Silicon Valley. There are a lot of people now who can talk the talk and get the attention needed to get money but with no ability to deliver. Stop giving him attention until he actually shows something that matches even a little bit of what he is promising. People who know what they're doing technically are deeply aware of the issues with their technology. Anyone i…

You are aware we are giving away open source software that will control your car, right? It's online today! And it's on par with the best systems money can buy, Tesla Autopilot and GM Super Cruise. https://github.com/commaai/openpilot No ability to deliver?

Not disputing your claim, but how did you determine the comma Ai system was on par with that of autopilot and super cruise?

In general, are there any standardized tests for self driving cars, like car safety ratings but for the driving part? Basically, is there even a way to measure how good a driving system is?

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post #20
post #17

This guy is all talk and represents one problem with Silicon Valley. There are a lot of people now who can talk the talk and get the attention needed to get money but with no ability to deliver. Stop giving him attention until he actually shows something that matches even a little bit of what he is promising. People who know what they're doing technically are deeply aware of the issues with their technology. Anyone i…

You are aware we are giving away open source software that will control your car, right? It's online today! And it's on par with the best systems money can buy, Tesla Autopilot and GM Super Cruise. https://github.com/commaai/openpilot No ability to deliver?

Tesla and Uber did seriously disappoint. It's even below that but still. I'm dubious about the capabilities of comma.ai system and calling it on par with Tesla after dissing it is a bit disingenuous.

I still consider geohot too egotistical in his approach, and that it will not bear fruits. That big commercial companies are pulling bad tricks is one thing but that doesn't mean one lone motivated (and talented) wolf can reach the goal.

Try to poach some waymo guys or some robotics to team up.

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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If you are interested in learning more about George, you should listen to him talking at Mapbox's Locate conference with the Mapbox CEO, Eric Gundersen [1]. Its another example of George being George. I just happened to be called out during the talk, but overall rather enjoyed it.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9WxlR1ZTZc

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? If you can't take your attention off the road anyway, it's basically a glorified, expensive cruise control.

That's the hurdle that will or will not kill this wave of SDV.

You can't give bits and piece of automation for a vehicle. Mainstream tech is all about making it fool proof. Not giving warnings and calling about weighted death stats.

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? If you can't take your attention off the road anyway, it's basically a glorified, expensive cruise control.

Ever drive 8-12 hour days for 2 days straight? Used to do it 4-5, but sometimes up to 10, times per year. I'd pay many thousands for lane-keeping on rural interstates in a heartbeat.

Yep. I love the headspace of focusing on something so simple for so long. If I weren’t going to have the experience of driving, I would just fly.

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are aware we are giving away open source software that will control your car, right? It's online today! And it's on par with the best systems money can buy, Tesla Autopilot and GM Super Cruise. https://github.com/commaai/openpilot No ability to deliver?

Tesla and Uber did seriously disappoint. It's even below that but still. I'm dubious about the capabilities of comma.ai system and calling it on par with Tesla after dissing it is a bit disingenuous. I still consider geohot too egotistical in his approach, and that it will not bear fruits. That big commercial companies are pulling bad tricks is one thing but that doesn't mean one lone motivated (and talented) wolf ca…

comma.ai poached an engineer from Tesla[0]

I think they are very capable. Maybe their tech is not ready now, but who knows in 2-5 years where they will be.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/18/11454858/george-hotz-self...

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Here's the low-level controller for Comma AI's self-driving software. Lateral and longitudinal control, as well as actuator command are contained within.

Their low level control is done in Python, on top of Android, on a smartphone. No further comment, your honor.

https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/tree/devel/selfdrive/co...

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