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George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars
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Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars
#12Interesting tidbit: Hotz actually means thief in a few languages.
I actually don’t believe this guy. He may be brilliant, but there are quite a few brilliant people working on this problem - so no.
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#13Sour grapes? I recall when push button elevators were installed. The union insisted an operator was still needed - who asked you 'what floor?' and then pushed that button. Without operators, western, and indeed all global civilization would come to an end...
"Thank you for choosing Liftatron 4000. These multi-occupant vertical travel devices are almost fully autonomous, and typically require no manual control. Simply state your floor, and enjoy your journey. Trips passing floors 3, 7, or any floor in which any resident has recently taken a shower, may revert this Fully Autonomous Lifting Device to human operated mode immediately following a n assertive audio tone. Failur…
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Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars
#14What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? If you can't take your attention off the road anyway, it's basically a glorified, expensive cruise control.
> What would the point of current self-driving car systems be?
Baby steps, man... baby steps
Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars
#15> If the driver looks down or away from the road for two seconds, a visual warning will appear on the Eon’s screen. After four seconds, the driver will hear an audible alert. And after six seconds, the system will disengage and begin to slow down.
The biggest use of some kind of driver assist system is something that can keep me going straight and at a constant speed on a relatively open road while I twist open a bottle cap and take a sip of a drink. Making me have a death stare out of the windshield to avoid disengagement is about as useful as standard cruise control. Except standard cruise control isn't going to be prone to making a mistake about whether or not I'm paying attention, and then stopping my car because it isn't satisfied.
Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars
#16Sour grapes? I recall when push button elevators were installed. The union insisted an operator was still needed - who asked you 'what floor?' and then pushed that button. Without operators, western, and indeed all global civilization would come to an end...
Point taken, but it doesn't mean that the scope and requirements of elevator travel are directly comparable to road travel. Car driving has not only more axes of allowed movement, but several magnitudes more variables. The skill floor for operating an elevator has more or less been the same, and easy enough for someone without any training. But driving a car today still requires weeks of education, as it did decades ago.
Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars
#17This guy is all talk and represents one problem with Silicon Valley. There are a lot of people now who can talk the talk and get the attention needed to get money but with no ability to deliver. Stop giving him attention until he actually shows something that matches even a little bit of what he is promising.
People who know what they're doing technically are deeply aware of the issues with their technology. Anyone in this area knows how hard it is to make these vehicles work. He is finding out the reality of what he promised two years late and is spinning it to get more attention.
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Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars
#19What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? If you can't take your attention off the road anyway, it's basically a glorified, expensive cruise control.
> What would the point of current self-driving car systems be?
You’re teaching the AI in Tesla’s case. Theoretically, your drive is safer with driver augmentation safety systems in other manufacturers’ vehicles, even if they’re not contributing data back for algo refinement.
Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars
#20This guy is all talk and represents one problem with Silicon Valley. There are a lot of people now who can talk the talk and get the attention needed to get money but with no ability to deliver. Stop giving him attention until he actually shows something that matches even a little bit of what he is promising. People who know what they're doing technically are deeply aware of the issues with their technology. Anyone i…
You are aware we are giving away open source software that will control your car, right? It's online today! And it's on par with the best systems money can buy, Tesla Autopilot and GM Super Cruise.
https://github.com/commaai/openpilot
No ability to deliver?