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WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Post by busterarm »

ahelwer wrote: post #117
busterarm wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Humans must take a positive action to eat something. If you're going to talk about morality and agency, it is not a positive choice to eat anything . It's acting out of necessity to survive. Choosing not to eat is self-destruction and there is absolutely nothing about that that's a moral choice. In fact, it's generally accepted to be immoral[1]. This is why we force feed people on hunger strikes and why suicide is…

Yes, per Sartre killing oneself is a course of action available to us at (almost) any moment, which must be justified against by any supposed moral system. This is pretty standard. We aren't talking about what the law dictates, we're talking about how some moral system might inform our actions. Two very different things, although of course the relationship between them is fascinating in its own right.

Eating isn't a choice. Please don't deflect from the criticism of your claim.

Downvote me all you like Andrew, but I'm going to call you out for espousing ideas that can literally kill people.

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Post by [deleted] »

bunderbunder wrote: post #120
toomuchtodo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it okay if my business only allows the expensing of meat, and refuses to allow carbohydrates for health reasons? EDIT: Fair enough! Not contrarian, just finding the line. What interesting times we live in.

Of course. Though you might find it gets even more resistance. Plenty of people eat burgers, but almost all of them would expect it to be served on a bun, maybe with a condiment or two. I hear french fries are also popular.

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Post by watwut »

prepend wrote: post #9

It’s nice that companies are releasing these types of policies publicly so peopl can choose whether to work there. It’s sometimes hard to get a good bead in company culture due to reporting bias of people there or who left. Stuff like this will help companies and workers find each other. I worked for a company for a while before I learned their expense policy was really frustrating. $40 max expenses and their headqua…

You expect the company to pay for your drinks? That sounds ridiculous to me and I am no abstinent.

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

ahelwer wrote: post #75
wu-ikkyu wrote: post #56

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>why do I feel especially aggravated on this topic? Might lead you somewhere. For the same reason a homosexual is annoyed by other people preaching to them that their actions are immoral and against nature.

I don't find this equivalence very compelling. Anti-gay arguments are based on either religious or extreme-naturalism grounds. This seems much different than arguments based around not harming sentient creatures, which I think many people intuitively identify with to some degree.

>not harming sentient creatures

Plants are sentient creatures

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Post by downandout »

curo wrote: post #82
downandout wrote: post #73

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Not only is it terrible from a dietary standpoint, it reveals an intolerant workplace culture that I certainly wouldn't want any part of. Most of the world, and likely most of their employees, eat meat. It shows a serious lack of connection with the real world, and a willingness on the part of management to forcefully impose extreme views on a whim. Sounds like an unhealthy place to work, even if they all become vege…

What if your company said that they are starting a program to reimburse solar panel installation, but that program doesn't cover reimbursement for gas. Would your argument be that most of the world consumes gas, so they're "forcefully impose extreme views on a whim."

This is a false equivalence. It is apparently a matter of custom at WeWork for at least some employee meals to be paid for by the company. To dictate what employees may order in those situations is unconscionable.

Imagine your manager takes the team out for a working lunch, and you basically can’t order anything except for a garden salad from the menu. You have to be at the lunch, but you cannot order like a normal person. That’s wrong.

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Post by temp54679680544 »

curo wrote: post #106

A lot of comments seem to be missing the facts: - WeWork isn't forcing employees to be vegetarian (it's not like a hiring requirement) - most companies have restrictions and rules surrounding their expensing - WeWork has decided they won't reimburse meat (employees can still buy meat) Should we force WeWork leadership, despite their rights to hold moral positions, to pay for something they don't want to pay for?

Yes, they should be forced to pay for the things normally required of an employer. Including reasonable meals during business travel. The individual employee can choose on their own to be vegan or vegetarian, or to eat meat.

Why should the individual rights of the employee be surpassed by the rights of the powerful employer?

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Post by J5892 »

koala_man wrote: post #88

Is this any weirder than how a lot of companies let employees charge their personal electric vehicles for free, but won't let you expense personal gasoline?

It's a hell of a lot easier to install a charger in a parking lot than it is to install a gas station.

Also, there may be perks/subsidies offered by the local government for installing EV chargers.

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Post by gamblor956 »

tedunangst wrote: post #67

> staff will not be able to expense any meals that include poultry, pork or red meat. What about dolphin?

Like most fake vegetarians, the policy apparently does not include any aquatic creatures like fish, squid, whales, or dolphins...even though the latter two are intelligent mammals with more capacity to feel pain than any type of poultry.

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Post by jhayward »

curo wrote: post #106

A lot of comments seem to be missing the facts: - WeWork isn't forcing employees to be vegetarian (it's not like a hiring requirement) - most companies have restrictions and rules surrounding their expensing - WeWork has decided they won't reimburse meat (employees can still buy meat) Should we force WeWork leadership, despite their rights to hold moral positions, to pay for something they don't want to pay for?

We should certainly make sure that they feel the full effects of their decisions, in PR, the employment market, and in public praise or ridicule.
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