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What it takes to stand up to authority

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Re: What it takes to stand up to authority

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>Studies on patients with localised brain damage are helping to answer part of this question. When people have lesions in the prefrontal cortex – the outermost layer of the front part the brain – they appear to be much more prone to following orders than the general population.

WOW, that's going to come in handy when some government decides to weaponize it.

Re: What it takes to stand up to authority

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I'm not sure we can do much to understand the role of authority without understanding the role of conditioning in what makes people act. For instance, why are most schools so regimented and rule-rich? For efficiency, certainly, but not all school rules increased efficiency. I would guess some of the rules exist to reinforce obedience to the other rules.

Filed under "believe, but cannot prove":

Whereas I thought anxiety (or lack of) was first order predictor someone's behavior (eg conservative vs liberal), I now think the root is someone's fear response.

Reformulated: fear -> anxiety -> (submission to) authority

Re: What it takes to stand up to authority

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post #21

>Studies on patients with localised brain damage are helping to answer part of this question. When people have lesions in the prefrontal cortex – the outermost layer of the front part the brain – they appear to be much more prone to following orders than the general population. WOW, that's going to come in handy when some government decides to weaponize it.

How would a government weaponize this? By going around damaging people's brains with brute force?

Re: What it takes to stand up to authority

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Isn’t that a reproduction of the (well-criticized) Stanford experiment, which already didn’t need to be demonstrated because we already demonstrated it with the Nazi horror?

a) Trying to understand historical events with many variables via deliberate scientific experimentation is a reasonable thing to do. b) The Stanford Prison Experiment has always been under a ton of scrutiny, and is a good example of flashy events heavily covered in intro psych courses that are viewed with a lot more skepticism in the professional community (so I have read, anyway). c) More info recently came out abou…

while the fact remains that everyone should derive his or her own opinion on this highly sensationalized study, Philip Zimbardo's response is worth reading http://www.prisonexp.org/response/

Re: What it takes to stand up to authority

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post #21

>Studies on patients with localised brain damage are helping to answer part of this question. When people have lesions in the prefrontal cortex – the outermost layer of the front part the brain – they appear to be much more prone to following orders than the general population. WOW, that's going to come in handy when some government decides to weaponize it.

How would a government weaponize this? By going around damaging people's brains with brute force?

By forcing the enlisted (conscripted) members of their armed forces to undergo procedures or take drugs that make them more compliant.

Re: What it takes to stand up to authority

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would a government weaponize this? By going around damaging people's brains with brute force?

By forcing the enlisted (conscripted) members of their armed forces to undergo procedures or take drugs that make them more compliant.

I thought we already did this by deploying fast food chains everywhere? (taking drugs that make people more compliant or apathetic)

Re: What it takes to stand up to authority

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post #21

>Studies on patients with localised brain damage are helping to answer part of this question. When people have lesions in the prefrontal cortex – the outermost layer of the front part the brain – they appear to be much more prone to following orders than the general population. WOW, that's going to come in handy when some government decides to weaponize it.

How would a government weaponize this? By going around damaging people's brains with brute force?

Transcranial magnetic stimulation? Those Millimeter wave body scanners at the airport?

I don't seriously think the gov't is out to do this, but there are possibly ways to do it without leaving outward physical traces.

Re: What it takes to stand up to authority

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Isn’t that a reproduction of the (well-criticized) Stanford experiment, which already didn’t need to be demonstrated because we already demonstrated it with the Nazi horror?

There were too many factors contributing to the Nazi events. You cant simply point at it and make definitive conclusion over some bare-bone simple events. You also cant assume that 1933 Germans would react the same way to the authority then 2018 Dutch.

Not to mention, the world is much more connected now. Most German citizens were unaware of the death camps until the end of the war.

Re: What it takes to stand up to authority

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By forcing the enlisted (conscripted) members of their armed forces to undergo procedures or take drugs that make them more compliant.

I thought we already did this by deploying fast food chains everywhere? (taking drugs that make people more compliant or apathetic)

Does eating fast food cause compliance to authority?

Re: What it takes to stand up to authority

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought we already did this by deploying fast food chains everywhere? (taking drugs that make people more compliant or apathetic)

Does eating fast food cause compliance to authority?

It might. Give people empty calories, take away the amino acids, vitamins, enzymes and other nutrients require for normal brain activity, and people get numbed and dumbed down, apathetic, weak.

I have always stood up to authority and as I have improved my health, my will power and energy to stand up to authority has increased substantially.

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