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WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Post by prepend »

nervousvarun wrote: post #22
intended wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. Unless lab grown meat manages to be a competitor, people are going to get meat based protein. And have you seen the vast variety of food around the world made from meat? It’s like saying people will give up excel. Possible, but only if some very major hurdles are crossed. Otherwise ubiquity, biological, and cultural adaptation will win out. The vegetarian side is underestimating the scope and time scale r…

maybe i'm mistaken, but i think the overall point was not specifically about meat. just that more and more companies will align themselves with some specific viewpoint and require/impel their employees to do the same as a condition of working there. i'm probably mistaken though :)

Hopefully those businesses will cease to exist due to market forces as artificially limiting talent available based on arbitrary preferences of management team would, I expect, reduce productivity and so increase labor costs.

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Post by curo »

brogrammer5 wrote: post #23
ahelwer wrote: post #12

Nice. If you care at all about moral justifications for your own actions, eating meat is an extremely difficult position to defend. It even falls on the wrong side of the Kantian perfect/imperfect duty divide, since the default really is not eating meat, so eating meat is a positive action which must be justified. I think it's a great example of philosophy pointing out the absurdity of a (very) widely-practiced pheno…

And this ladies and gentlemen is why vegans have a reputation for being annoying.

Haha, even as an occasional meat eater I liked this comment. If this sort of comment is annoying, maybe time to inquire into the defensiveness. Maybe you have too much "skin" in the game?

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Post by nwah1 »

meowface wrote: post #18
nwah1 wrote: post #10

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And not because of environmental concerns. But moral concerns. Something that is flagrantly immoral would be opposed regardless of environmental questions. That is important to note because it is not a simple question whether meat is net positive or net negative for the environment. It isn't even clear what it means if something is net positive for the environment. This is a moral issue, not an eco issue.

I completely agree. The primary reason to not eat meat is that it's inherently unethical (factory farm or not). But a lot of people don't feel that way, so any argument that will persuade them to eat less (or no) meat works in my book.

I understand that view too, but insincere arguments have some drawbacks too. I do know some people who became disillusioned after hearing bad motivated reasoning on that, and on dubious health claims.

My current thinking is that both the eco and health questions are extremely complex. The moral issue, however, is simple.

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Post by ahelwer »

brogrammer5 wrote: post #23
ahelwer wrote: post #12

Nice. If you care at all about moral justifications for your own actions, eating meat is an extremely difficult position to defend. It even falls on the wrong side of the Kantian perfect/imperfect duty divide, since the default really is not eating meat, so eating meat is a positive action which must be justified. I think it's a great example of philosophy pointing out the absurdity of a (very) widely-practiced pheno…

And this ladies and gentlemen is why vegans have a reputation for being annoying.

The annoyance is fascinating to me, because I grew up eating meat and also felt such annoyance. It's an interesting thread to pull if you're into knowing thyself - why do I feel especially aggravated on this topic? Might lead you somewhere.

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

ahelwer wrote: post #25
maccio92 wrote: post #21

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How does that argument extend to animals that eat other animals? And why is the default defined as not eating meat?

We usually divide the world into moral agents (pretty much just humans) and non-moral-agents. The default is not eating meat because the default is not eating anything . Humans must take a positive action to eat something. Generally perfect duties in the Kantian sense take the form of "thou shalt-nots", so a positive action you shouldn't take, like killing a random stranger or some such. This is contrasted with imper…

>The default is not eating meat because the default is not eating anything.

That's default for rocks and such, but not living things, whose existence requires by default the death of other living things

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Post by prepend »

maccio92 wrote: post #21
ahelwer wrote: post #12

Nice. If you care at all about moral justifications for your own actions, eating meat is an extremely difficult position to defend. It even falls on the wrong side of the Kantian perfect/imperfect duty divide, since the default really is not eating meat, so eating meat is a positive action which must be justified. I think it's a great example of philosophy pointing out the absurdity of a (very) widely-practiced pheno…

How does that argument extend to animals that eat other animals? And why is the default defined as not eating meat?

Obviously those animals are unethical. But once Orca evolve enough to really grok Kant they should come around and die off.

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Post by elsyms »

busterarm wrote: post #24
maccio92 wrote: post #21

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How does that argument extend to animals that eat other animals? And why is the default defined as not eating meat?

The common justification for this is the comparative anatomy argument that we're primates and primates don't eat meat. These same people have had their heads in the sand for the last 30 years, because it's been found that primates do quite commonly eat meat.

Definitely not. The common justification for this is that we, as the most intelligent species on the planet, have developed a moral conscience. As such, it is unconscionable that we support the literal mass murder and ill-treatment of billions of animals each year when there are alternatives that require no suffering and no death.

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Post by maxbrunsfeld »

maccio92 wrote: post #21
ahelwer wrote: post #12

Nice. If you care at all about moral justifications for your own actions, eating meat is an extremely difficult position to defend. It even falls on the wrong side of the Kantian perfect/imperfect duty divide, since the default really is not eating meat, so eating meat is a positive action which must be justified. I think it's a great example of philosophy pointing out the absurdity of a (very) widely-practiced pheno…

How does that argument extend to animals that eat other animals? And why is the default defined as not eating meat?

Animals don't raise other animals on cruel factory farms.

Re: WeWork Will No Longer Let Employees Expense Any Kind of Meat

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Post by vosper »

prepend wrote: post #27
meowface wrote: post #5

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Like it or not, this is the side of history that will eventually win out. In 50-100 years from now, expect this kind of arrangement to be very common with American companies.

What’s a good way for me to bet you $1000 that you’re wrong? This statement seems so interesting. What’s the basis for this thought process? Isn’t the trend for meat consumption to increase with wealth so as the world develops, more meat will be consumed. [0] [0] https://ourworldindata.org/meat-and-seafood-production-consu...

I'll get downvoted for mentioning any crypto-thing, but I think this might be doable with Augur (which is an actual live product, not some crypto-vaporware, though not particularly easy to use in its 1.0 state)
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