Whatever “BDFL” is. Climb out of your hole.
“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”
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Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”
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There's nothing personal there, it's a generic insult. Unless Linus know's about the persons breastfeeding history of course. My understanding is that the person being derided here isn't even a kernel developer.
$ git shortlog -s --author Sievers --before 2012-07-06 339 Kay Sievers $ git shortlog -s --author Sievers --after 2012-07-06 12 Kay Sievers
That specific dev was completely banned from kernel development four years ago (two years later): https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420.
I don't know the persons involved and how much they contributed, but I'm wary of the implied cause.
Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”
#663Even though I write python only if it’s going to be like 200 loc tops, it’s insane how gracefully the language has aged. It came out in 91, thus predating for example Java. Fun fact, I believe the very first google scraper was written in it. At the same time I can’t wait for the next language to replace it.
>Fun fact, I believe the very first google scraper was written in it. Fun "fact": I need to check my facts, but it could be that the very first Google was written it it, too :) Checked: https://www.google.co.in/search?q=what+language+was+google+s... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Search https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Google
That’s what he said :-) (first google scraper = scraper used in original google implementation)
Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”
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> The culture you describe is toxic How? Which parts exactly? > It's also a culture of de-humanisation Again, how? I find it creepy that without any specific examples provided you would report them. Surely that creates a toxic culture.
The context is someone hearing comments that were "shocking", and that were so shocking they could only be delivered behind closed doors. This is a good, but not infallible, sign of a dysfunctional culture in health care. It might be fine in other industries, but in health care there are strong links between this culture and poor, harmful, practice. It's interesting that making a complaint is seen as a negative thing…
Thanks for taking the time to write all this. You are courageous, people often look elsewere when there are abuses.
Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”
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I can never get into Python and end up with as much passion as you. For me, its a very powerful and useful language - no doubt about it. But the aesthetics of a whitespace language just don't jive with my 30+ years of experience writing code. No matter how many times I try over the past few decades, I just can't get passionate about writing Python code. I know its power, and I totally grok its value to our industry -…
> but for me, Lua is just far more elegant, It's curious... Lua is my favorite language due to its elegance, but I would love it even more if it used significant indentation (using tabs, of course) instead of "end" blocks.
OTOH, I would love Python even more if I could do:
x = function(x) return x*x end
Not that it really matters though, bridges still get built.
Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”
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Software construction shouldn't need this level of drama or comedy. It almost feels like hero worship.
Or maybe Linus isn’t afraid to say what’s on his mind, and that’s why people respect him. You should try it some time. I know when I started doing it on here, my karma plummeted (real world analogue is “reputation” or social standing). But at least my conscience is clear.
He just said what was on him mind. Clearly and unambiguously.
Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”
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That is what I thought too. I read HN since so many years. Perfect example of a rating system turning into a bad censorship.
pg asserted that downvoting is fine to be used for disagreement in Feb 2008, when HN was less than a year old: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171
I don't care about pg tho
Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”
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https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/7/6/495
There's nothing personal there, it's a generic insult. Unless Linus know's about the persons breastfeeding history of course. My understanding is that the person being derided here isn't even a kernel developer.
This is laughable. What would you consider a "personal" insult?
Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”
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I work in patient safety in English MH settings. The culture you describe is toxic, and I would have reported all of those HCPs to their trust (using the trust complaints process), to the CQC, and possibly to their professional registration bodies. > is part of psycho-hygiene that allows the people to be able to continue to work and keep a certain distance. It's also a culture of de-humanisation that allows abuse to…
> The culture you describe is toxic How? Which parts exactly? > It's also a culture of de-humanisation Again, how? I find it creepy that without any specific examples provided you would report them. Surely that creates a toxic culture.
Belittling vulnerable people, behind closed doors or otherwise, is not a part of any healthy culture.
Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”
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>It's amazing he managed to not explode at somebody. Like a certain other BDFL occasionally does?
Don’t know why you are being downvoted. Linus’s tirades and diatribes are famous for how brutally personal they get. I still maintain that they are a waste of time and he would be a more effective leader if he limited his responses to “this is a bad idea” or “this isn’t done right” instead of writing pages long personal attacks on other members of the project.
> if he limited his responses to “this is a bad idea” or “this isn’t done right”
And then people keep wasting his time insisting on a bad idea
Cultural differences and all that. A good 'perkele' will be enough to get the point across in most cultures, even if some leave a bit disappointed.