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Have the Tech Giants Grown Too Powerful?

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Newspapers were run by the OG ugly disgusting nerds.

Seriously, what an odd comment. OH I'LL SHOW THOSE DUMB JOCKS AT THE NEW YORK TIMES. Nonsense.

It seems you won't post substantively (and it doesn't matter what you're replying to), so we've banned the account.

Re: Have the Tech Giants Grown Too Powerful?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has been true ever since "I supply the pictures, you supply the war"; "if it leads it bleeds" and lets not forget the main. The only reason people are talking about it now is that newspapers are no longer in a position to dictatate terms and that, gasp, ugly discusting nerds have finally gotten a say. Of course there are problems with the current crop of corporations in charge (and it is going to get worse, sinc…

Newspapers were run by the OG ugly disgusting nerds.

Like we've asked already, please post civilly and substantively or we'll ban you.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Looks like old media is feeling threatened.

You are being downvoted but, regardless of whether the argument has merit (it does IMHO), it is a fact that traditional media companies have been negatively affected by the rise of the new tech giants, and can be scarcely objective in the matter. Some of the biggest support to the recent copyright law rejected by the EU, came from traditional news outlets.

I'll charitably assume I'm being down-voted more because of how short and dismissive my remark was than anything else. Truth be told that's all I think the likes of the NYT deserves. Even the POTUS calls it "Failing New York Times".

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I really don't understand the self destructive desire to domestically pile on our tech firms while they are being shutout of the Chinese market by the government there which apparently appreciates the importance of these firms so much as to support their local companies financially, politically, and intellectually and on the other front the EU is using every tool at its disposal to hamstring US tech firms. Some comme…

Special interests and their existence inherently transgressing the "high school social order".

Jobs were outsourced overseas decades ago and few blamed the business owners because that is what they do and the foreigners were too far away to be a punching bag. Just pretend it is a force of nature. Not to mention the desire to be one of the "rich kids". To be one they don't need to change anything about themselves - just have more money (so they think).

Gentrification by hipsters? They are either producing a good restuarant restuarant in this dump for a change and neat or there to be laughed at as fools dressing up like their grandparents.

Automation? They are ruining everything and it is all their fault! High prices due to companies moving in? It is the fault of those damn techies! Let's ignore all of the lawyers, marketers and managers though it is all the needs' fault! Those nerds aren't there to be mocked or out of sight and mind. It is their fault!

Unlike the other "problem causers" the blamers don't want to be like them and they threaten their inherent sense of superiority.

Not to mention how people blindly go along with norms like holding the rich and powerful less responsible. A rich kid crashing his car into someone drunk made a mistake. A poor kid doing so is inherently worthless trash.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

America didn't really have an aristocracy. It had something that if left unchecked would probably become an aristocracy, but it didn't exist in that form yet.

Depends on your definition of aristocracy. Remember, you used to have land to be able to vote.

You're right, that did limit enfranchisement. That was gone well before the Civil War, though. That would be an unusual definition of aristocracy, but I get it. By the same token, we currently limit the vote to people over 18 that are citizens. Are we currently aristocrats?

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Look up the history of "political machines", "yellow journalism", "fascism". Democracy has always been corrupted because people are inherently not very good.

So what would you replace it with?

You mean what to replace the democracy with, or the corruption?

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I'm probably in the minority, but the negatives don't seem that bad when compared to the benefits we get from the tech companies: free email, free or cheap access to information on almost anything you could be interested in, junk entertainment that people seem to enjoy. The negatives are less tangible: giving up your personal data (this is complicated by the fact that the data didn't exist until you used their servic…

It's interesting that you've done the calculus on these same issues, and come up with a completely different answer than me. I weighed free email etc. against giving up personal data etc. and I came down decidedly on the side that it's not worth it. And because there aren't alternatives, I just don't don't do some things anymore, wherever I can. That means no facebook. No smartphone. No twitter. Not IG. No googling a…

Somehow we did get by. And we weren’t living in ignorance either. We were well informed and engaged.

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post #139

I'm probably in the minority, but the negatives don't seem that bad when compared to the benefits we get from the tech companies: free email, free or cheap access to information on almost anything you could be interested in, junk entertainment that people seem to enjoy. The negatives are less tangible: giving up your personal data (this is complicated by the fact that the data didn't exist until you used their servic…

Would my life be that much worse if I paid 10 bucks a month for google search?

No but googles would

Re: Have the Tech Giants Grown Too Powerful?

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Unless you work for one, or have founded a company purpose-built for acquisition, I don’t see how the answer can be ‘No’. For entrepreneurs, the monopolistic stranglehold these companies have, make them impossible to beat with a better product. The best possible outcome is acquisition. You may join, but never beat them. For Free Software hackers, the giants turning away from open standards, and towards DRM and abuse…

You got to get in to get out Peter Gabriel sang. I’ll take my RSUs and move fuck the out of here with my analog wife, car, hi fi, and camera. She and I’ll be happy cooking with gas reading books drinking bourbon and watching it all fade in our rear view mirror. We’ll surely be just memory by the time the US devolves into chaos, the oil runs out, and disney has acquired ATT.

Re: Have the Tech Giants Grown Too Powerful?

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The ISPs and mobile carriers are too powerful. At least Google/Facebook have to innovate, or buy companies like Instagram or Whatsapp that innovate. ISPs get their billions in revenue from monopoly. All they have to do is buy off politicans and put people like Ajit Pai in power. Now that they've started to acquire tech companies like Yahoo, no one can stop them from giving preferential treatment to their content and…

ISPs are USA’s problem. FANG is a global problem.
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