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Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by jamesgeck0 » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:30 PM UTC

herbst wrote: post #785

hmottestad wrote: post #767

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Not my experience. I have to use windows at work. Got ubuntu running in a vm. Buggy as shit. - sharing screen in hangouts puts chrome on every virtual desktop so now you can't click on chrome to navigate to that desktop - slack crashes silently every 24 hours - virtual desktops is a mess, if one window overflows into another desktop, then when you click on that app ubuntu will take you to the desktop where you see th…

I know classic Linux defense bullshit but these all aren't typical 'Linux issues'. I can only guess the desktop you used but I assume we talk about Unity/Wayland. Ubuntu removed Unity meanwhile for the Way cleaner Gnome Shell (however I don't know if they have some custom bullshit in there again) Shortcuts are often miss configured on system level. I noticed nonsense issues therelike as well on Ubuntu. There are high…

He also complains about a Chrome bug, a Slack bug, and an IntilliJ bug. 3rd parties doing no QA and not respecting UX conventions on the most popular distro is a problem, but not really with Linux.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by thought_alarm » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:30 PM UTC

gilescope2 wrote: post #739

yonilevy wrote: post #734

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As a heavy IntelliJ user - I use the function keys all the time. Some examples: F1: show file in project view, F2/Shift F2: next/previous error, Ctrl+F2: stop process, F3/Shift F3: find next/previous, F6: move/rename, different F7 variations: find usages, F9/F10: run/debug options, also F8-F10 - step over/into/out/continue, F12 - toggle maximize editor, etc. I don't understand what I'm supposed to do with a touchbar,…

Intellij could support the touchbar - I was going to say it's a great way to do debugging until I found that using arrow keys + modifier is a fantastic way to control the debugger. (up=continue, left=step out, right=step in, down=step)

I use Control+S,Z,X,C for debugging, mapping Caps Lock to Control. (S=continue, Z=Step Over, X=Step In, C=Step Out). It keeps my right hand free for mousing around, drinking coffee, etc.

What modifier are you using for the arrow keys? Aren't they all taken already?

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by jacebot » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:31 PM UTC

UPDATE: I over looked the spec part with their Intel chips... however I presume they tie directly into the T2 chip, and will probably leave them altogether in an iteration or two.

As I predicted in a former post on why they haven't updated their hardware line up... "using their T2 chip..."

This is them leaving their dependency and insecurity of Intel and AMD.

Good luck to them. I do remember a time when their ARM G series CPU's out performed x86 cpus on all things creative.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by twodayslate » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:33 PM UTC

This seems like an actual upgrade for users still on 2013/14 hardware. Going from dual core to quad core for the 13" users sounds like it might actually be time to upgrade. The benefits of the 15" sound very compelling compared to the 13" tho!

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by mikec3010 » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:35 PM UTC

rcdmd wrote: post #781

fcbrooklyn wrote: post #744

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I had to replace my 2015 MBP last week, because the kb started failing (it wasn't one of the ones eligible for a free repair, sadly, and I can't live without a machine for however long it takes them to fix it anyway). I was really torn, because although I could reluctantly live without the function keys, the escape key is a complete dealbreaker. After much debate I decided to take a chance on a surface book. I figure…

I cut my teeth on Windows with Microsoft Visual Studio Basic in the 2000s, then Windows/Dev-Cpp because of poor MSVC++ support for some C++ features I thought I needed at the time, switched to Mac/Vim, then had a 6ish year stent with Ubuntu and Vim as an IDE. But then a botched upgrade from 14.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS lead to a few frustrating hours of my time to get X to even load. I'll never see that time again. Now I'm…

> upgrades requiring random restarts completely interrupting my workflow

You'll never see that time again.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by mikec3010 » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:36 PM UTC

fcbrooklyn wrote: post #787

malnourish wrote: post #757

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Surface Book is really great; I quite liked my SOs surface. I decided to go with an XPS 13 and have been incredibly happy.

I was considering the XPS series myself. Heard great things about it. Are you running windows or unix?

Check Costco. I bought an XPS 15 with 32gb ram for 1800 last winter.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by pizza234 » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:41 PM UTC

hmottestad wrote: post #767

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Really? Window sucks for me even before I log in first time, with stuff like "wait while we are setting you up, just relax...". I switched to Linux and felt the same feeling you did though. Happiness to be back in a nice new system where I feel at home!

Not my experience. I have to use windows at work. Got ubuntu running in a vm. Buggy as shit. - sharing screen in hangouts puts chrome on every virtual desktop so now you can't click on chrome to navigate to that desktop - slack crashes silently every 24 hours - virtual desktops is a mess, if one window overflows into another desktop, then when you click on that app ubuntu will take you to the desktop where you see th…

> installing applications is always terrible on ubuntu.

there are three main was of "installing applications on ubuntu":

1. main software repositories; this is essentially 1-click install (if you go through the software management application) 2. installing from a PPA (e.g. Sublime); this is 1-line copy/execute (add-apt-repository XYZ), then update (apt update) and 1-click install 3. rarely, you install binaries directly; this is a double click.

none of them is terrible. the vast majority of the Ubuntu/Debian linux software is provided and installed via 1. (update obsessed users use 2.), which is a much faster workflow than windows, and immensely safer.

If a software is fidgety in a version 3 installer, it has nothing to do with Linux, as it's almost exactly the counterpart of the typical windows installation, it's just badly packaged by the developer; binary installers are a small minority anyway.

> copy-paste sucks balls, in some applications it's ctrl-c in others its shift-ctrl-c and some applications will copy to clipboard if you select a string

this is not correct. Ctrl+C/V are the standard, the exception (not "some applications") being the terminal, because Ctrl+C has different semantics.

> keyboard support is terrible, in intellij i can't type `or ´ or ~ but I can type all those in gedit and then i have to copy paste them over

you may have a misconfigured keyboard. run the live version of ubuntu, test the keyboard with the installer, then configure the same on your installed system.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by busymichael » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:43 PM UTC

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #766

some_account wrote: post #756

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Really? Window sucks for me even before I log in first time, with stuff like "wait while we are setting you up, just relax...". I switched to Linux and felt the same feeling you did though. Happiness to be back in a nice new system where I feel at home!

I was extremely unsatisfied with the promise and then the delivery of my surface pro, ended up selling it to a friend with lighter computing needs. The touch bar macbook seems pretty useful itself considering how insanely good its IO is (4 thunderbolt ports!!!). I haven't been able to use it as much and im waiting for better eGPU options to come out. in the mean time I'm stuck just like you in the world of linux. My…

You wrote a native mobile app on a Galaxy Note 8 and submitted it to the App Store? Can you tell us what was your workflow and tool set?

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by mariopt » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:43 PM UTC

veridies wrote: post #736

I'm looking for a path forward, and I haven't found one; I'd appreciate anyone's insight. My actual work could be done on a Chromebook, but in my free time I do a lot of music recording, which requires me to have an SD card reader and USB ports for the myriad synthesizers and interfaces I use. I've been getting by on a 2012 MacBook Pro, but it won't hold up forever. I've looked at Hackintoshes, but none of them seem…

I've been using an Hackintosh for the last 14 months and I even sold my macbook pro. The performance per dollar is amazing, you can get 32 Gb of RAM when you want, a hexacore cpu, a Samsung 970 pro M.2, etc.

In the beginning i was a little bit anxious because I read that it is unstable but it's not true, it took me around 1 month to figure out the limitations and find my own setup. My next computer is going to be an Hackintosh, I keep a 13 inch macbook pro late 2013 with a mere intel i5 dual core and 8 gigs of RAM just to do light tasks and get out of the office.

For 800 euros I built an hackintosh faster than an iMac 2018 with the maximum specs, if you live in the states, computer parts are even cheaper than in Europe.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by hackujin » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:43 PM UTC

eridius wrote: post #754

wwweston wrote: post #669

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> I know it's trendy to hate on the touchbar The touchbar hate is not trendy . It's based in specific complaints. If, on the balance of how you evaluate the problems and benefits of the touchbar, it's useful for you, great. That doesn't mean the primary reason people express a distaste for the touchbar is essentially a social fashion.

In my experience, most of the people (not all, but most) who complain about the TouchBar haven't actually even used one for any significant period of time. It's definitely trendy.

I was given an MBP with a touchbar when I contracted with Comcast for 10 months. Hated it.

My personal laptop is MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2014).

I will NEVER EVER pay with my own money for a touchbar mac book.

My number one rule when getting a laptop is a good keyboard. Period.

Plus the USB-C drivers for external displays in the new mac books is complete trash. Misaligned windows, constantly forgetting window positions, occasionally completely not working.

The MBP line of computers keeps on getting worse and worse.