“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”

Post by lolsal » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 8:11 PM UTC

outworlder wrote: post #312

jacquesm wrote: post #275

Reading that thread is like reading an actual Monty Python plot. Guido van Rossum has given his life for this language and besides the obligatory 'thanks for all the fish' there isn't even a single person who stops the clock to evaluate what went wrong that they pushed out the person that started this all. Instead it's 'kthxbye' and they're already dividing up the cake to see who gets to rule. Not the nicest moment i…

> there isn't even a single person who stops the clock to evaluate what went wrong that they pushed out the person that started this all. True, although sometimes there isn't much to be done. He mentions he is tired of fighting and, with such an enormous project, how do you solve that? This does not bode well for the future of Python, though. The ecosystem is fragmented as it is, I can only imagine how things will lo…

Post by mjw1007 » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 8:12 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #275

Reading that thread is like reading an actual Monty Python plot. Guido van Rossum has given his life for this language and besides the obligatory 'thanks for all the fish' there isn't even a single person who stops the clock to evaluate what went wrong that they pushed out the person that started this all. Instead it's 'kthxbye' and they're already dividing up the cake to see who gets to rule. Not the nicest moment i…

Post by IMTDb » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 8:14 PM UTC

xg15 wrote: post #373

IMTDb wrote: post #328

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This is because often the "cause" is actually jut time ticking : - What was fun 3 years ago isn't anymore - That feature that was useful to your customers is no longer serving purposes - It was about new feature, and now it's about maintaining compatibility - ... There is no real cause to "treat", you just need to adapt to the new environment you are facing.

That seems too easy. That guy was the core of the Python community for over 20 years. Supposedly he has seen a lot of ups, downs and drama and experienced the downward slope of the motivation curve often enough and still held on - until now. So what was different this time? > There is no real cause to "treat", you just need to adapt to the new environment you are facing. Maybe, maybe not. The purpose of a deeper anal…

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 8:18 PM UTC

daxorid wrote: post #375

antpls wrote: post #250

If Guido wasn't himself while writing the PEP572, I ask for a new vote about the PEP572. I vote against it, the PEP572 should not be implemented. To me, it seems a restricted variant on the specific cases "if" and "while" would be good enough, without generalizing to more cases. The exemples of assignment with "all()" and "any()" make me sad. Python had only one way of doing things, now it has two. Reading Python cod…

> Everytime we post an opinion against the consensus Downvoting was, long ago, supposed to be used to indicate trolling, incivility, not substantive, etc. Sometime recently, dang and sctb have ruled that downvoting for disagreement is now perfectly acceptable. In any event, I agree it's become a terrible method of hivemind enforcement. Have an upvote.

Post by joshuamorton » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 8:20 PM UTC

marcosdumay wrote: post #381

owaislone wrote: post #346

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A dictionary of string: functions I guess? Don't think there is a decent one

That's parametrized jumping. Pattern matching is parsing a structure with variables and filling those variables from a single structured value. Python does that with tuples: a, b = b, a But it just stops there. To be fair, I don't know how much power it would gain by going further either. Never made that question.

    class Dog(Animal):
        def make_noise(self):
            return "bork bork"

    class Duck(Animal):
        def make_noise(self):
            return "quack"

    make_noise :: Animal -> str
    make_noise Duck = "quack"
    make_noise Dog = "bork bork"