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Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

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Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

#41

Here's my prediction: DevOps is dead. In 5 to 10 years developers will no longer be mentioned in articles like this. There will be specialisation once again, because it makes absolutely no sense to make people whose main job it is to think about use cases, business logic and user interfaces to also deal with stuff like this.

Yes it makes no sense for developers to understand the underlying systems that run their applications. /sarcasm

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

#42

Here's my prediction: DevOps is dead. In 5 to 10 years developers will no longer be mentioned in articles like this. There will be specialisation once again, because it makes absolutely no sense to make people whose main job it is to think about use cases, business logic and user interfaces to also deal with stuff like this.

What does "DevOps is dead" mean?

Seems he's essentially just predicting an increase in the division of labor between product development and infrastructure work going forward.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

#43

Here's my prediction: DevOps is dead. In 5 to 10 years developers will no longer be mentioned in articles like this. There will be specialisation once again, because it makes absolutely no sense to make people whose main job it is to think about use cases, business logic and user interfaces to also deal with stuff like this.

What does "DevOps is dead" mean?

That devs will no longer do ops.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

#44

At least 50% of the neckbeard kvetching about containers is because they don't want to let go of their lovingly hand-crafted servers and mountains of bash scripts and config management crap that they've built over the past 20 years. edit: btw, I'm one of those (former) neckbeards...

could not agree more with you.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

#46

Here's my prediction: DevOps is dead. In 5 to 10 years developers will no longer be mentioned in articles like this. There will be specialisation once again, because it makes absolutely no sense to make people whose main job it is to think about use cases, business logic and user interfaces to also deal with stuff like this.

Yes it makes no sense for developers to understand the underlying systems that run their applications. /sarcasm

Understanding the characteristics of the underlying systems is one thing, but actually building and maintaining them is something completely different.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

#47
I think what a lot of people forget is that this is being driven by costs. Companies don't want to pay for disaster recovery, and it's cheaper to set up a k8's platform. The platform itself performs disaster recovery, so now that's one less cost for the company.

It's all about saving money on DR. When these companies realize that developers can't handle doing ops AND complex business logic, maybe they'll rethink it. Until then I expect this trend to spread rapidly as companies look for ways to abstract away DR costs.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

#48
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the linux world is slowly (and badly) recreating technology that has existed in FreeBSD and Solaris/Illumos for decades.

You probably never heard or used - Linux VServer. Available from the later version of the 2.4 kernel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-VServer

> 2008

FreeBSD jails date from 2000

Solaris zones date from 2004

https://us-east.manta.joyent.com/bcantrill/public/ppwl-cantr...

https://us-east.manta.joyent.com/bcantrill/public/ppwl-cantr...

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

#49

I think what a lot of people forget is that this is being driven by costs. Companies don't want to pay for disaster recovery, and it's cheaper to set up a k8's platform. The platform itself performs disaster recovery, so now that's one less cost for the company. It's all about saving money on DR. When these companies realize that developers can't handle doing ops AND complex business logic, maybe they'll rethink it.…

Can you define what you mean by disaster recovery? To me it means the ability to recover business applications from a site failure.

Assuming you have a similar definition how does Kubernetes solve that problem?

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