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Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

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Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

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It is hard not to build this impression of containers. Worse, it seems that the docker image format is massive compared to what most war files were like. This is annoying not just in terms of raw bytes to move around, but in taking stock of what is getting moved around.

My team originally pitched how docker solved much of the dependency upgrade management by having layers for each major set of dependencies. That ignored the fact that upgrading a layer is not really something you do.

So, then you can go around the path of coordinating many containers communicating with each other. That works, but in that world, things really don't seem any easier than the earlier alternatives. Harder, in many ways.

Don't get me wrong, the momentum and raw money being put into containers certainly paints it as the future. It just feels like lying to say that they have even come close to parity with what we were capable of not that long ago.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

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post #4

It is hard not to build this impression of containers. Worse, it seems that the docker image format is massive compared to what most war files were like. This is annoying not just in terms of raw bytes to move around, but in taking stock of what is getting moved around. My team originally pitched how docker solved much of the dependency upgrade management by having layers for each major set of dependencies. That igno…

the linux world is slowly (and badly) recreating technology that has existed in FreeBSD and Solaris/Illumos for decades.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

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Instead of the new Application Server, Kubernetes is the new OpenStack. A conglomeration of projects that support a platform for deploying and operating software in containers or virtual machines. Just like OpenStack, some of the components deal with storage, others with networking, and others still with service discovery or proxying.

Without getting too far into semantics, I think the author is using a well overloaded terminology. When I hear Application Server, I immediately think tomcat or some other jvm.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

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post #4

It is hard not to build this impression of containers. Worse, it seems that the docker image format is massive compared to what most war files were like. This is annoying not just in terms of raw bytes to move around, but in taking stock of what is getting moved around. My team originally pitched how docker solved much of the dependency upgrade management by having layers for each major set of dependencies. That igno…

They are the shit tech that will be abandoned with the next fad. They are a huge boondoggle, solely for the immature leads who have not been coding for decades and know better. This industry is filled with stupid fucks that don't know tech history.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

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post #5
post #4

It is hard not to build this impression of containers. Worse, it seems that the docker image format is massive compared to what most war files were like. This is annoying not just in terms of raw bytes to move around, but in taking stock of what is getting moved around. My team originally pitched how docker solved much of the dependency upgrade management by having layers for each major set of dependencies. That igno…

the linux world is slowly (and badly) recreating technology that has existed in FreeBSD and Solaris/Illumos for decades.

Be fair here. The software world is slowly recreating technology. Being even more fair, they do often add to it. Usually UX capabilities, but sometimes full on features. Yes, often the features require more resources than were available before. Such that previous versions couldn't have offered some of these things.

That said, it is not limited to any one set of our industry. It is likely not even limited to our industry.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

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post #5
post #4

It is hard not to build this impression of containers. Worse, it seems that the docker image format is massive compared to what most war files were like. This is annoying not just in terms of raw bytes to move around, but in taking stock of what is getting moved around. My team originally pitched how docker solved much of the dependency upgrade management by having layers for each major set of dependencies. That igno…

the linux world is slowly (and badly) recreating technology that has existed in FreeBSD and Solaris/Illumos for decades.

Which technologies were those?

I’m only vaguely familiar with FreeBSD, and not at all with Solaris.

Re: Why Kubernetes Is the New Application Server

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post #4

It is hard not to build this impression of containers. Worse, it seems that the docker image format is massive compared to what most war files were like. This is annoying not just in terms of raw bytes to move around, but in taking stock of what is getting moved around. My team originally pitched how docker solved much of the dependency upgrade management by having layers for each major set of dependencies. That igno…

They are the shit tech that will be abandoned with the next fad. They are a huge boondoggle, solely for the immature leads who have not been coding for decades and know better. This industry is filled with stupid fucks that don't know tech history.

You have a point about hype, tech cycles, and solutions being pushed out of ignorance vs tech superiority if you change the language to be more civil.
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