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Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by notatoad » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 4:54 PM UTC

jetsnoc wrote: post #218

r0fl wrote: post #36

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They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

In the article they cite the MBP as being the most popular notebook for developers so this niche must be important, otherwise why list it?: > Already the most popular notebook for developers around the world, the new MacBook Pro can compile code faster and run multiple virtual machines and test environments easier than before. What we want is a functional keyboard. They are losing this market-share quickly but you're…

>They are losing this market-share quickly

are they really though? or are people complaining but still buying it?

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by issa » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 4:54 PM UTC

Signez wrote: post #71

pornel wrote: post #47

It's not possible to buy it without the TouchBar any more :( I really wanted to like it, and the concept could perhaps eventually be good, but the current implementation is infuriatingly bad: • I need more than one tap to change the brightness, volume or skip to the next song. • The buttons are in different locations depending on context, so it's not possible to use it by muscle memory. • TouchBar automatically goes…

> I need more than one tap to change the brightness, volume or skip to the next song. I discovered recently that you could just do a "quick swipe" (very fast) on the button in the right direction on both the volume and brightness virtual button to apply the expected effect. Good enough for my usage.

This comment was the best thing to happen today. This is still not as good as hard buttons, but it improves the experience tremendously.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by chrisper » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 4:55 PM UTC

abledon wrote: post #588

So much for holding out for a CUDA compatible GPU to do machine learning on...

Isn't CUDA Nvidia only? Apple and Nvidia are not in good terms, I believe.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by joshmn » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 4:56 PM UTC

andoma wrote: post #240

dijit wrote: post #93

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depends what your definition of "pro" is, even if it's 50% of all users who do pro work that need a GPU (Video, photo, CAD) there's at least as many who need a lot of memory/CPU for various other things. Programming/compiling not-withstanding there are many tasks today that are CPU intensive. Plus, real professionals use slack, so that extra memory is needed.

Yup, The 32GB version should really be called Slackbook Pro.

Using this.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by leokennis » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 4:56 PM UTC

gervase wrote: post #476

mbesto wrote: post #445

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> They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. > Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products So either you're wrong, or Apple's PR team is really bad positioning their product. From the Press Release itself in the first few paragraphs: ideal for manipulating large data sets, performing complex simulations, creating multi-track audio projects or doing advanced image processing or film edit…

I believe this is a case of a disparity between who they say their products are for (power users), and who they are actually for (people who want to think of themselves as power users). This would be similar to, for example, many sportswear brands who say they are for professional athletes, but whose primary consumer base is... not. In both cases, they may still attract the audience they claim to target, but in pract…

Nicely put. People also like to buy over-featured products for “bragging rights” (huge pick up trucks used to go shopping, ultralight trekking gear for 5 km hikes, €300 knives to cut apples in slices etc.)

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by lev99 » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 5:00 PM UTC

gurkendoktor wrote: post #380

cimmanom wrote: post #197

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Apple really doesn't seem to grok that small doesn't necessarily equal low-end in customers' minds. People want small laptops and small phones for reasons other than spending less money. They keep making this mistake with the iPhone SE too.

The iPhone SE was just as fast as the flagship phone (6S) when it was released. It didn't have the faster TouchID or 3D Touch, but neither did my iPad Pro, so I don't think they were trying to hold the phone back. Now if they only kept updating it...

I would love the iPhone X features in an SE sized device.

I used the iPhone SE for longer than any other cellphone (from iPhone SE release to iPhone X release)

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by jamieqw » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 5:01 PM UTC

It’s 2018 and in the MacBook lineup, Apple is still selling laptops with:

- 480p webcam (MB) - NonRetina displays (MBA) - Huge display bezels (all) - inconsistent keyboards (MBA vs all others)

I guess it take “courage” to no longer innovate the Mac laptop line.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by Sean-P » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 5:02 PM UTC

Yet Apple leaves severe bugs in their terminal, which causes every open terminal to crash, unfixed for years after the bug has been reported. Yet Apple requires 3rd party applications for basic window management: http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/sizeup/, https://manytricks.com/witch/. Yet Apple presents a macOS API so crippled, that sending a window to the back isn't even directly possible: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/233687/how-can-i-s....

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by abledon » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 5:06 PM UTC

uptown wrote: post #8

32gb MAX ram is a nice change, and the true-tone display is a positive. Really wish Apple were in the nVidia camp instead of the ATI camp.

yeah... nice alternative for deep learning: https://lambdal.com/raw-configurator?product=tensorbook

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by debaserab2 » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 5:06 PM UTC

Sean-P wrote: post #598

Yet Apple leaves severe bugs in their terminal, which causes every open terminal to crash, unfixed for years after the bug has been reported. Yet Apple requires 3rd party applications for basic window management: http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/sizeup/ , https://manytricks.com/witch/ . Yet Apple presents a macOS API so crippled, that sending a window to the back isn't even directly possible: https://apple.stackexch…

I've used Terminal almost every day for the past 10 years and it's not crashed even one time. I can understand why sending a screen to the back wouldn't be a part of the API for security reasons alone. I think you're digging at some pretty niche edge cases.