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"... so many reports that it can be rendered inoperable by a grain of sand and that is incredibly difficult and expensive to repair or replace. This new third-generation keyboard wasn’t designed to solve those issues, Apple says." https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/17563640/apple-macbook-pr...

I don't believe it for one second.

This is of course PR bs to prevent adding more wood to the bonfire.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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I’m glad to see that Apple has finally updated its MacBook Pro line, but it’s a little too late for me. After using Macs for nearly 12 years, I bought a Dell XPS 15 9570 a week after WWDC 2018 (I couldn’t put off a new computer purchase any longer), and I couldn’t be happier. It turns out that Windows 10 really shines on a computer with six processor cores, a 4K display, and a NVMe SSD, a dramatic improvement from th…

What kind of development are you doing on it? Have you found a good workflow yet? I've given up running Linux natively on my computers and I'm trying to find the best Windows 10 workflow

I'm still in the process of completely moving my workflow to my Dell XPS 15, but my occupation is computer science research, particularly in the area of distributed systems. My day-to-day tasks involve reading and annotating academic papers, writing code (usually in C and Python, but sometimes I use C++ and Java), writing papers in LaTeX, and making presentations (on my Mac I used Keynote but I use PowerPoint in Windows). So far I'm able to do my work using WSL. At times my work involves interacting with the OS kernel, and on my Mac I sometimes find myself using a Linux or FreeBSD VM to do my work rather than programming directly on macOS. For these tasks Windows 10 with the WSL can replace macOS, although sometimes I need to use a Linux or FreeBSD VM.

To be honest, I could probably get away with doing my work on a 2001 PowerBook G4 Titanium if it weren't for the browser situation for PowerPC Macs these days, but I love having a powerful yet lightweight laptop with a six-core Intel Core i7-8750H, a 4K screen, and a fast SSD at my disposal.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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The Macbook Pro has been the go-to software developer machine for years now, and that segment is seeing a massive exodus after the touch bar launch. I don't know how big a percentage that is of total sales, but it can't just be a trivial niche.

> go-to software developer machine It really isn't . In some localized niches, perhaps. Overall, no.

At least among web developers (not just front-end, and not just JavaScript), it's completely ubiquitous in my experience.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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You can return it within 14 days, no questions asked.

Is anyone aware of any upgrade options for a machine that's older but still quite new (end of Jan this year) - highest MBP spec at the time? I did see one Apple trade-in programme, but it seems oriented towards much older models with a max trade-in value to match.

No there aren’t any

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

> They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. > Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products So either you're wrong, or Apple's PR team is really bad positioning their product. From the Press Release itself in the first few paragraphs: ideal for manipulating large data sets, performing complex simulations, creating multi-track audio projects or doing advanced image processing or film edit…

I think those descriptions are aspirational for large segment of those buying MBPs (current MBP owner)

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Oh crap, this is the only thing I cared about. Ok so it's a no-go from day one. I don't care if Apple has a 4 year warranty program for the keyboard. The fact is, I can't give up my main laptop for 2-5 days every 6 months to have them fix it for free.

I take advantage of Apple's no questions asked return policy for stuff like this: Take my laptop in to be repaired, buy a brand new MBP at the same time. Load everything onto the new laptop using a time machine backup (takes about 2 hours), and use that while they're repairing my laptop. When my laptop is fixed, I pick it up and return the one I bought at the same time for a full refund. It's a bit of fuss making sur…

Not everyone has thousands of dollars sitting around to “rent” new apple hardware. Fine, if that’s your solution. I’ll stick to buying hardware that works.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

> The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Haven't done a survey, but quite a few folks I know who work at Mac shops report that their employers have been steering clear of the new MacBooks and just trying to keep the older models they already have alive, while also looking seriously into the feasibility of switching to PCs running Linux if they don't get their act toge…

> a few folks I know who work at Mac shops report that their employers have been steering clear of the new MacBooks

My office is a great example of this. Hundreds of developers here, and I've seen exactly one of the touchbar MBPs in the office. The CIO hates them with a passion, and nobody's demanding them, so it's 2014/2015 MBPs for everyone. There are a lot of Airs, too, but I've seen zero Macbooks.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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> The new keyboard has the same dimensions and look as its two predecessors, but the keys feel just a little bit different. They're quieter, for one thing. They have a softer, less click-y feel that is a little closer to the pre-2016 models' chiclet keys. We found the new keyboard to be a little nicer to type on, but it's not a radical difference. It's unlikely to convert the detractors, but it's a welcome iteration for those who liked or didn't mind the previous butterfly keyboards.

So, I guess this is the fix we've been waiting for huh?

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

In the article they cite the MBP as being the most popular notebook for developers so this niche must be important, otherwise why list it?: > Already the most popular notebook for developers around the world, the new MacBook Pro can compile code faster and run multiple virtual machines and test environments easier than before. What we want is a functional keyboard. They are losing this market-share quickly but you're…

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Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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post #87

I’m glad to see that Apple has finally updated its MacBook Pro line, but it’s a little too late for me. After using Macs for nearly 12 years, I bought a Dell XPS 15 9570 a week after WWDC 2018 (I couldn’t put off a new computer purchase any longer), and I couldn’t be happier. It turns out that Windows 10 really shines on a computer with six processor cores, a 4K display, and a NVMe SSD, a dramatic improvement from th…

How is the build of the XPS15 compared to a MBP? One thing I've always appreciated about Apple is their aluminum and absolutely solid builds. Their exterior builds is one of the reasons I buy their products. I know the new keyboard has issues for a lot of people but it has not been a problem for me and I enjoy typing on it.

I have a 2013 MacBook Air (that's no longer working) and a Dell XPS 15 9570. I also used to use a 2015 MacBook Pro during my previous job. The Dell XPS 15 9570's build quality is quite wonderful and quite Apple-esque. The only complaint I have about this laptop after two weeks of use is sometimes I need to use extra force on the space bar in order to register a keypress (I don't know if this is normal or if I need to have Dell explore this issue), but other than that I enjoy using this laptop.
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