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“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”

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Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”

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Post by apendleton »

Tenoke wrote: post #9

I got to say, HN has become much looser with the titles since dang took over. It could be for the better (or not), but I definitely see at least 5 top posts a week with an editorialized title now, compared to a lot less before. Edit: Everyone is saying it is fine. Again I'm not saying it is not, but if it is, can you please update this part of the guidelines: >Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is mis…

It's a direct quote from the email. Do you think it was taken out of context in a way that communicates editorial intent? Seems pretty directly connected to the contents of the message to me.

Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”

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Post by sametmax »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #4

What was the issue that was evidently so contentious that it made him wish to step down?

The python idea mailing list scaled very poorly for getting proposals into python.

It's a harsh confusing place and the absence of tooling and structure doesn't help.

Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”

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Post by grzm »

Tenoke wrote: post #9

I got to say, HN has become much looser with the titles since dang took over. It could be for the better (or not), but I definitely see at least 5 top posts a week with an editorialized title now, compared to a lot less before. Edit: Everyone is saying it is fine. Again I'm not saying it is not, but if it is, can you please update this part of the guidelines: >Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is mis…

When you see them, let the mods know via the Contact link in the footer. They don't see everything and update the ones they know about.

Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”

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Post by sjm-lbm »

bla2 wrote: post #5

> I don't ever want to have to fight so hard for a PEP and find that so many people despise my decisions. Leading a large open source project must be terrible in this age of constant outrage :-(

It's PHP and not Python, but every time I read something like this from a major open source figure, I always think of this old PHP mailing list thread:

https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=50696

Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”

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Post by Analemma_ »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #4

What was the issue that was evidently so contentious that it made him wish to step down?

(a := b) rather than a = b

Naturally people went to the barricades for it, in a classic example of bikeshedding and Wadler's Law (programmers will fight to the death over trivial syntax disagreements and just shrug at profound changes to semantics and architecture)

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Post by justin66 »

Tenoke wrote: post #9

I got to say, HN has become much looser with the titles since dang took over. It could be for the better (or not), but I definitely see at least 5 top posts a week with an editorialized title now, compared to a lot less before. Edit: Everyone is saying it is fine. Again I'm not saying it is not, but if it is, can you please update this part of the guidelines: >Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is mis…

I expect that has little or nothing to do with dang and a lot more to do with the increased population of HN users.

Re: “I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL”

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Post by symmitchry »

bla2 wrote: post #5

> I don't ever want to have to fight so hard for a PEP and find that so many people despise my decisions. Leading a large open source project must be terrible in this age of constant outrage :-(

I'm a little confused though, by his feelings here. Why did he feel the need to "fight so hard for a PEP" if it was so controversial, and everyone was outraged?

I do understand people's points about "the age of outrage" and "internet 2018" but still: the PEP wasn't generally accepted as being a fantastic improvement, so why did he feel the need to fight so hard for it?

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