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People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard

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Re: People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard

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This is probably the greatest argument for big government. If we were to eliminate the supervision of the establishment over the safety and security of everyday life, it would be very time consuming to handle every single aspect of it. There is always the issue of an overreaching government, and that's where the left/right party split comes in. Each party either creates more regulation and protection or take some awa…

I seem to recall running into a claim that the original idea of the republicans was that the government would be a check against coercion, be it physical, emotional, economic, or otherwise.

Re: People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hear hear, the agricultural revolution has trapped us in a Faustian bargain! "The currency of evolution is neither hunger nor pain, but rather copies of DNA helixes. Just as the economic success of a company is measured only by the number of dollars in its bank account, not by the happiness of its employees, so the evolutionary success of a species is measured by the number of copies of its DNA. If no more DNA copies…

There is something curious about posters on a techie site lauding the superiority of the hunter-gatherer life.

I imagine a lot of them are starting to have families. What resonates in background information provides a foundational structure, and often establishes direction in opinion.

Re: People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard

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We’re dumb in comparison to the systems we’ve created. Increasingly, the disparity between what our technology is capable of and our own limitations as animals will become a pressing issue. One thing that always bothers me is how we have this myth of personal responsibility that supposes an individual is equipped to defend their own interests against a multinational corporation on their own. “Well I just don’t get wh…

And many of our problems are collective action problems: where it makes sense for individuals to defect on their own, and they can only raise the standard for the group if they act together.

At different scales this means unionization and professional organizations, government regulation, and international regulation, to prevent whole countries from defecting - this is in large part what the EU is about, and a significant source of UK ill will towards it; and also generally what makes nationalists upset at globalists.

Collective action problems require collective action solutions. Large actors, however, tend to dislike collective action because it reduces their scale advantage.

Collective action has its own problem: power structures encourage corruption and misuse of the pooled power. Overall, I suspect government and international systems are more likely to be less corrupt because they can afford to build more checks and balances into their institutions, but the distance from the people decreases their perceived legitimacy.

Not an easy circle to square.

Re: People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard

#44
If behavioural economists are so good at predicting human behaviour, why aren’t they popular among consumer facing companies? Why don’t such companies have a special position for behaviourial evonomists? Why none of the behaviourial Economists have ever tried starting up?

Re: People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard

#45
Boy does it take a while to get to the main topic of the title. From the article/podcast:

    ...
    THALER: Well, first of all, when we use this phrase 
    libertarian paternalism, we’re using libertarian as
    an adjective. And so we’re trying to say we’re going
    to design policies that don’t force anyone to do anything.
    So the claim that we’re trying to tell people what to
    do, or force them to do things, is just completely wrong.
    We are also not trying to tell them to do what we think is
    smart. We’re trying to help people do what they want to do.

    I like to use G.P.S. as an analogy of what we’re trying to
    do. So, I have a terrible sense of direction. And Google
    Maps is a lifesaver for me. Now, if I want to go visit you,
    I can plug in your address, and suppose I’m walking across
    the park, and I see, “Oh, there’s a softball game over
    there. I think I’ll go watch that for a while,” Google Maps
    doesn’t scold me. It will re-compute a new route if I’ve
    gone a bit out of my way. It doesn’t suggest addresses to
    me. It just suggests a route. And if there’s a traffic jam,
    it suggests maybe you should alter your route.

    So, we don’t think people are dumb. We think the world is
    hard. I mean, figuring out how much to save for retirement
    is a really hard cognitive problem that very few economists
    have solved for themselves. And it’s not only cognitively
    hard, it involves delay of gratification, which people find
    hard. It’s just like navigating in a strange city is hard.
    So, why not try to help? When I first was working with the
    U.K. Behavioral Insight Team, the first “Nudge unit,” the
    phrase I kept saying in every meeting with some minister
    was, “If you want to get people to do something, make it
    easy. Remove the barriers.” That’s what we’re about.
    ...

Re: People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard

#46
post #43

We’re dumb in comparison to the systems we’ve created. Increasingly, the disparity between what our technology is capable of and our own limitations as animals will become a pressing issue. One thing that always bothers me is how we have this myth of personal responsibility that supposes an individual is equipped to defend their own interests against a multinational corporation on their own. “Well I just don’t get wh…

And many of our problems are collective action problems: where it makes sense for individuals to defect on their own, and they can only raise the standard for the group if they act together. At different scales this means unionization and professional organizations, government regulation, and international regulation, to prevent whole countries from defecting - this is in large part what the EU is about, and a signif…

It also means laws/regulations to just plain ban harmful behaviors. Collectivization to alter market forces cannot fix everything. Some things need to just stop. Selling CFCs needs to stop. That won't happen by naming and shaming involved companies. It won't happen by people gathering on facebook to organize a boycott. It happens by people in uniforms enforcing the law, with violence when necessary. Sometimes that is the only way to stop individuals bent on illegally benefiting themselves at the expense of others.

Re: People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard

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post #28
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hear hear, the agricultural revolution has trapped us in a Faustian bargain! "The currency of evolution is neither hunger nor pain, but rather copies of DNA helixes. Just as the economic success of a company is measured only by the number of dollars in its bank account, not by the happiness of its employees, so the evolutionary success of a species is measured by the number of copies of its DNA. If no more DNA copies…

There is something curious about posters on a techie site lauding the superiority of the hunter-gatherer life.

What's so curious about it? I'd expect an average techie to be able to think about this topic on their own and comprehend various perspectives.

Re: People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

# of copies of DNA is just a proxy for probability of propagation.

The gene is the unit of selection.

No, the collection of genes is. There are exactly zero individual genes roaming around replicating in isolation.

Re: People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard

#49

We’re dumb in comparison to the systems we’ve created. Increasingly, the disparity between what our technology is capable of and our own limitations as animals will become a pressing issue. One thing that always bothers me is how we have this myth of personal responsibility that supposes an individual is equipped to defend their own interests against a multinational corporation on their own. “Well I just don’t get wh…

> We’re dumb in comparison to the systems we’ve created.

I prefer not to think like that. I'd say we're doing our best to navigate hard problems, and it's not yet clear how to do things more effectively. Worst case scenario we're acting dumb, and I'd argue that is kind of a useless statement. We're acting, and we can do better, so put some time into working on doing better.

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