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Post by spudlyo »

duxup wrote: post #199

All the keyboard talk is kinda lost on me as I still hate typing on any laptop keyboard and drag one of these around with my laptop: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CYX26BC/ It seems silly but I'm more worried about typing. It might be something to consider for those with keyboard issues.

You are not alone. My laptop travels from work to home in my backpack and is immediately plugged into a dock connected to my Kinesis keyboard, mouse and monitor where I do all my serious work. I guess I mostly use my laptop like it's a desktop.

I think the touch bar is dumb, but I must admit I do like the fingerprint sensor, and it's cool I can use it to unlock 1Password now. The built-in keyboard is mostly fine for the light typing I do on it taking notes in a meeting or something.

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Post by chiefgeek »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #256
r0fl wrote: post #36

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They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

Internet hearsay (Apple store/reseller staff quoted in podcasts etc.) often mentions that the MacBook Air is (was?) their best-selling laptop. It has no TouchBar, more keyboard travel, a smaller trackpad, arguably more useful ports, and longer battery life. If the trade-offs in the latest MacBook Pro were universally loved, why wouldn't they spread into Apple's other, more popular product lines? I honestly don't see…

Longtime Mac user (I had an Apple II+). I've had a new MBP since Jan '17. Replaced a five year old MBA. The keyboard itself isn't terrible (although my left command key seems to be going, so yay) the Touch Bar is worthless. I simply cannot fathom who though putting something non-tactile on the keyboard was a good idea. I was so hoping they brought back regular fxn keys with the next iteration.

One of the key tenets of touch typing instruction is to NOT LOOK at the keyboard. And the lack of universal control over iTunes is admittedly a first world problem however they didn't replace it with anything meaningful. I've had this machine for 18 months and I have found zero utility in the touch bar.

I'm very curious to try the new BlackMagic eGPU though!

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Post by gaius »

Puer wrote: post #158
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #147

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You say that but it's the vocal but happy 10% that can sway the 90% to buy it. Mac wouldn't have been as big as it is today without its fans. The ones that complain are your best customers, because the ones that don't just walk away without giving you feedback as to why they walk away. The 90% is too indifferent to speak up.

You're greatly overestimating the tech community's importance. The average person doesn't need any swaying to buy Apple products.

You're greatly overestimating the tech community's importance. The average person doesn't need any swaying to buy Apple products.

“There’s a App for That” <—- who makes the apps?

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Post by froindt »

evgen wrote: post #245
ybrah wrote: post #174

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Anyone who uses a keyboard to navigate their computer (most software professionals worth their salt) hit the escape key often enough to warrant it as a complaint. Try not using your mouse for your computer

Anyone who uses a keyboard to navigate their computer and has not already re-mapped their keyboard to put esc into a more RSI-friendly location is going to be paying for this choice in a decade or so...

Unfortunately in a locked down computer environment, remapping isn't always an option.

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

johnchristopher wrote: post #272
jetsnoc wrote: post #218

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In the article they cite the MBP as being the most popular notebook for developers so this niche must be important, otherwise why list it?: > Already the most popular notebook for developers around the world, the new MacBook Pro can compile code faster and run multiple virtual machines and test environments easier than before. What we want is a functional keyboard. They are losing this market-share quickly but you're…

> In the article they cite the MBP as being the most popular notebook for developers so this niche must be important, otherwise why list it?: Marketing 101. The majority of smokers weren't cowboys.

Well, if they continue, they'll lose the cowboys.

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Post by PretzelPirate »

throwawaymath wrote: post #264
jetsnoc wrote: post #218

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In the article they cite the MBP as being the most popular notebook for developers so this niche must be important, otherwise why list it?: > Already the most popular notebook for developers around the world, the new MacBook Pro can compile code faster and run multiple virtual machines and test environments easier than before. What we want is a functional keyboard. They are losing this market-share quickly but you're…

The niche is not developers themselves; the niche is a (vocal) sample of the developer community. I'm a developer and I like the 2016 MacBook Pro keyboard with touchbar. In particular: What we want is a functional keyboard. This is your opinion, but it's not necessarily the majority opinion. For example, I would rather Apple focus on other parts of the computer than the keyboard. The keyboard just isn't that meaningf…

I love the new keyboard and touchbar. I haven’t had any issues with the keys not working.

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Post by gaius »

nailer wrote: post #38
no1youknowz wrote: post #20

> The new keyboard has the same dimensions and look as its two predecessors, but the keys feel just a little bit different. They're quieter, for one thing. They have a softer, less click-y feel that is a little closer to the pre-2016 models' chiclet keys. We found the new keyboard to be a little nicer to type on, but it's not a radical difference. It's unlikely to convert the detractors, but it's a welcome iteration…

If you're used to MacBooks, check out the Surface Laptop or Surface Book. - The hardware (particularly the keyboard and massive trackpad) is great - apt-get on WSL is better than homebrew will ever be (powershell too if you have the time to learn it) - Windows 10 has a dedicated team working on it (Apple has merged iOS and macOS teams since a few years ago, which may be because iOS makes a lot more money).

If you're used to MacBooks, check out the Surface Laptop or Surface Book.

I’ve also switched from MBP to Surface, couldn’t be happier. Great keyboard, great 3:2 screen (since you can’t buy 4:3 anymore), nice trackpad, WSL is great too. Rather than complain, vote with your wallet.

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Post by melling »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #152
melling wrote: post #73

“Hey Siri” is available because a T2 chip is included. We’re slowly crawling towards Voice as a User Interface on the personal computer. Hope this happens in my lifetime. I’ve been waiting several decades.

> We’re slowly crawling towards Voice as a User Interface on the personal computer. > Hope this happens in my lifetime. I’ve been waiting several decades. Can I ask why? I find voice interfaces basically useless. They're too awkward to use in public, too unreliable to use in general, and almost never quicker than just typing or mousing anyway. I can see how it's great for accessibility (e.g. for blind people), but th…

“Too unreliable “

“Faster to type”

You’re doing that thing where you take the current implementation that isn’t very good and ignore that it will greatly improve.

For example, people say electric vehicles don’t work for them because they only go 300 miles on a charge with today’s battery technology.

Anyway, at some point, someone will get it right then you’ll wonder how you lived without it.

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