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MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by macintux »

arghwhat wrote: post #125
latch wrote: post #30

After ongoing problems and repairs with my gen 2 butterfly, I switched to Linux (Ubuntu). After many months, I'm still a little shocked at how much worse the desktop experience is. 11 year old OS X Leopard is more consistent, intuitive and usable. Hardware is slightly less polished, but no major complaints there (except for how poor the buying experience was). Still, keyboard works. It would take something amazing to…

I recently switched from macOS High Sierra to Fedora. I felt that Fedora was smoother, way more responsive on the same hardware (and yes, comparing fresh macOS to fresh Linux install), more consistent and more intuitive, and more usable. The only thing I can think of that's better on macOS is the touchpad, which to the best of my knowledge is a gift given to us mortals by the gods. Oh, and the macOS default wallpaper…

> The only thing I can think of that's better on macOS is the touchpad, which to the best of my knowledge is a gift given to us mortals by the gods.

I'm absolutely unwilling to give up the Mac trackpad. When I see people who aren't artists using mice I have to question their value system, or assume they haven't discovered the absolute joy that is "tap to click".

Obviously the configuration matters a great deal.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by barrowclift »

eej71 wrote: post #6

If only they might restore the escape key in the 15 inch model...

I highly encourage mapping the Escape key to the Caps Lock key for a couple days and seeing how it feels. I gave it a spin last year out of curiosity and have since fallen in love with it. My poor pinky no longer has to frequently stretch out to the farthest upper left reaches of the keyboard!

If you're on macOS, you can do this in System Preferences > Keyboard > Modifier Keys... and selecting the "Escape" in the Caps Lock dropdown.

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Post by igrekel »

vinceguidry wrote: post #79
samcat116 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did

I ended up buying a used mid-2012 model, hopefully the 16GB RAM upgrade I got makes it nice and snappy. Kicking myself for giving away my 2014 Air.

I was using a late 2011 that I had outfitted with 16GB of ram and a larger SSD, save for the screen, it performs comparatively to the latest models. Now, its graphics just went bad and Apple now considers it "vintage" and won't fix it. I assume the 2012 models will suffer form that fate soon as well.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by publicfig »

TomVDB wrote: post #143
mantas wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm yet to see a serious VIM user who didn't remap ESC to caps lock yet. Regardless of keyboard configuration.

You must found one. I used caps lock all the time for its intended function (shocking!), so remapping it is just not an option.

While I haven't remapped it for Esc (I have for Ctrl), you can reassign both keys. It took about a week to get used to it, but now my Control key acts as caps lock and honestly it works like it was designed to work that way. No more accidental hitting of caps lock with my pinky, and no weird gestures to hit a key I use all the time. Not saying your method is by any means worse or wrong, just thought it'd be worth pointing out!

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Post by ppeetteerr »

ZeroCool2u wrote: post #54

The keyboard and the touch bar are deal breakers for me. For the first time in a while I've been considering buying a new laptop, but the touch bar is basically zero utility and the keyboard is negative utility. I can't spend $2400+ on a laptop and feel good about it.

I can tell you from personal experience that the touch bar is more useful than the function keys it replaces. You will not miss them after a few weeks. They keyboard is solid too. I cringe if I have to type on the old pro keyboard with its soft keys.

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Post by nordsieck »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #95
eej71 wrote: post #6

If only they might restore the escape key in the 15 inch model...

This complaint always strikes me as trolling of the highest order. As though a 2018 laptop should definitely be designed to accommodate software structured for the limitations of 1970. In 2050, when the world has moved to direct neural interfaces, vi trolls on HN will still be saying "but my escape key!" I've never failed to hit the software escape key on my 15. Not one time since the past rev was released. What is t…

> As though a 2018 laptop should definitely be designed to accommodate software structured for the limitations of 1970.

Hardware should be designed to accommodate the software that is actually being run on it, regardless of when it was first written.

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Post by coldseattle »

thanatropism wrote: post #124
nailer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The niche developer/macrumors posters It's not just developers and MacRumors posters. Joe Rogan - the comedian and MMA commentator - did a massive unprompted rant on how poor (and he didn't use the word 'poor') the Apple keyboard was on his recent podcast (3rd most popular podcast in the world http://www.itunescharts.net/us/charts/podcasts/ ). The keyboard affects anyone who types. It's not a niche group of obsessi…

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Rogan is a good proxy of Hollywood creatives, which in turn has an enormous impact on how often Macs show up as default movie props.

Apple sends hardware to movie production companies. They’ve been doing this for years.

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Post by endorphone »

r0fl wrote: post #36
no1youknowz wrote: post #20

> The new keyboard has the same dimensions and look as its two predecessors, but the keys feel just a little bit different. They're quieter, for one thing. They have a softer, less click-y feel that is a little closer to the pre-2016 models' chiclet keys. We found the new keyboard to be a little nicer to type on, but it's not a radical difference. It's unlikely to convert the detractors, but it's a welcome iteration…

They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does

The "niche developer/macrumors posters" were extremely happy with it before, and were hearty advocates of it.

Further, I would say that developers/enthusiasts comprise a very high percentage of macbook purchasers.

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Post by kanishkdudeja »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #139

"... so many reports that it can be rendered inoperable by a grain of sand and that is incredibly difficult and expensive to repair or replace. This new third-generation keyboard wasn’t designed to solve those issues, Apple says." https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/17563640/apple-macbook-pr...

Wow.

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Post by lcnmrn »

no1youknowz wrote: post #20

> The new keyboard has the same dimensions and look as its two predecessors, but the keys feel just a little bit different. They're quieter, for one thing. They have a softer, less click-y feel that is a little closer to the pre-2016 models' chiclet keys. We found the new keyboard to be a little nicer to type on, but it's not a radical difference. It's unlikely to convert the detractors, but it's a welcome iteration…

They have to recover the money spent on TouchBar R&D. We won’t see a proper MacBook Pro until 2020.
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