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Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by teekert »

mschaef wrote: post #114
teekert wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is well known that Ubuntu is going through a phase of rapid change at the moment. I understand how you feel but I'm pretty sure the quality and consistency will only increase from here on. Otherwise, try a Plasma desktop or Mate (if you feel like a minimalist).

> It is well known that Ubuntu is going through a phase of rapid change at the moment. I understand how you feel but I'm pretty sure the quality and consistency will only increase from here on. People have been saying things like that about various Linuxes for over 20 years, and it still isn't close.

Well I think that from about April 2012 (first generally positive feel about Unity) until about April 2021 (yes I know, this is the end of 16.04 support) you could have had (and can have) a fairly consistent experience. Now, with the introduction of Gnome into Ubuntu there is some (avoidable) flux. If you don't like it, go for a more conservative distro like CentOS, or pick Ubuntu Mate.

Linux is always rapidly developing but there are always distros which suit the more conservative users who hate change. I agree that this is a difficult concept when first entering the Linux world but it is how it is.

I do wonder what makes you say it isn't close though... I feel it is more than that and would really love to replace my companies Windows 10 environment with Kubuntu 18.04. Still, I think even Ubuntu's standard desktop is pretty nice and very usable.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by TomVDB »

mantas wrote: post #96
boobsbr wrote: post #55

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Seriously, how do you exit vim insert mode without an ESC key?

I'm yet to see a serious VIM user who didn't remap ESC to caps lock yet. Regardless of keyboard configuration.

You must found one.

I used caps lock all the time for its intended function (shocking!), so remapping it is just not an option.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by mgkimsal »

mschaef wrote: post #114
teekert wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is well known that Ubuntu is going through a phase of rapid change at the moment. I understand how you feel but I'm pretty sure the quality and consistency will only increase from here on. Otherwise, try a Plasma desktop or Mate (if you feel like a minimalist).

> It is well known that Ubuntu is going through a phase of rapid change at the moment. I understand how you feel but I'm pretty sure the quality and consistency will only increase from here on. People have been saying things like that about various Linuxes for over 20 years, and it still isn't close.

> People have been saying things like that about various Linuxes for over 20 years, and it still isn't close.

That was part of my reason for going full mac 10 years ago. Had one in the house, but my main laptops were linux. And it was always such a pain, wireless networking in particular. And ever few months I'd hear/read "oh, but ubuntu's great - everything just works". And then I'd try it on a new laptop, and things wouldn't work, and there'd be no answers, or the answers would be things like "dude, you have to research all your parts before you 'just buy something' - linux isn't like that!" And then I'd read more about "hey, everything now 'just works'!" I came to realize it was mostly people who'd didn't have moderately complex needs (like wanting to use 2 monitors without rebooting an X session), or needing to vpn easily, or... whatever. None of this was simple then. I'm going to guess it probably still isn't now for many 'edge cases' (most of my tech life apparently was an 'edge case' when I was a linux/desktop users). It was tiresome. After 10 years of "year of linux on the desktop" I got too tired of wrestling with all that crap and switched to a macbook.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by EnderMB »

thesephist wrote: post #76
EnderMB wrote: post #53

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I'd be interested in knowing how many people switched from the MBP to the Surface(Book) due to delays and changes/issues in the MBP range. I bought a first generation Surfacebook a few years ago because I couldn't wait any longer for Apple to release their new MBP range, and I'm glad I didn't wait. It's the best laptop I've ever owned. Even though I've moved away from .NET dev and work mostly with Ruby and Node it's…

Count me in, for one. My main machine is still the 2013 MBP (2015 MBP at work). But every laptop / portable / desktop I've bought since then has been a Windows machine, because they offer either 1) similar value at a cheaper price, or 2) greater flexibility and usability at the same price. The Surfaces are the best laptops a non-Apple-dev "Pro" can get right now, in my experience. They've got ports, they've got porta…

Agreed. I also have the 2013 model and it's a great machine, but it's starting to show its age now, and the keyboard on the Surfacebook is now light years ahead of the MBP. Unless Apple can release a laptop on par with the flagship Windows laptops I cannot see myself buying one.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by cnlwsu »

boobsbr wrote: post #55
eej71 wrote: post #6

If only they might restore the escape key in the 15 inch model...

Seriously, how do you exit vim insert mode without an ESC key?

The escape key is there in terminal in same position it would be if there was no touchbar. Its been a complete non issue that people who do not have the touchbar like to complain about.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

r0fl wrote: post #36
no1youknowz wrote: post #20

> The new keyboard has the same dimensions and look as its two predecessors, but the keys feel just a little bit different. They're quieter, for one thing. They have a softer, less click-y feel that is a little closer to the pre-2016 models' chiclet keys. We found the new keyboard to be a little nicer to type on, but it's not a radical difference. It's unlikely to convert the detractors, but it's a welcome iteration…

They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

You say that but it's the vocal but happy 10% that can sway the 90% to buy it. Mac wouldn't have been as big as it is today without its fans. The ones that complain are your best customers, because the ones that don't just walk away without giving you feedback as to why they walk away. The 90% is too indifferent to speak up.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by mgkimsal »

teekert wrote: post #141
mschaef wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is well known that Ubuntu is going through a phase of rapid change at the moment. I understand how you feel but I'm pretty sure the quality and consistency will only increase from here on. People have been saying things like that about various Linuxes for over 20 years, and it still isn't close.

Well I think that from about April 2012 (first generally positive feel about Unity) until about April 2021 (yes I know, this is the end of 16.04 support) you could have had (and can have) a fairly consistent experience. Now, with the introduction of Gnome into Ubuntu there is some (avoidable) flux. If you don't like it, go for a more conservative distro like CentOS, or pick Ubuntu Mate. Linux is always rapidly develo…

> I feel it is more than that and would really love to replace my companies Windows 10 environment with Kubuntu 18.04.

Get all their .net apps and office/excel stuff to work, and get whatever integrations with office365 are required to work actually working and get it all to sync with their mobile devices... I'm sure you can have them switched in no time...

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by ppeetteerr »

pornel wrote: post #47

It's not possible to buy it without the TouchBar any more :( I really wanted to like it, and the concept could perhaps eventually be good, but the current implementation is infuriatingly bad: • I need more than one tap to change the brightness, volume or skip to the next song. • The buttons are in different locations depending on context, so it's not possible to use it by muscle memory. • TouchBar automatically goes…

You don't need to worry so much about most of these. Go to System Preferences > Keyboard. Change the Touch Bar shows to Expanded Control Strip. Then go to Customize Control Strip... and set the keys you want to always have displayed. I can guarantee you will be using the touch bar more often then you did the F* keys.

Re: MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

nailer wrote: post #46
r0fl wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

> The niche developer/macrumors posters It's not just developers and MacRumors posters. Joe Rogan - the comedian and MMA commentator - did a massive unprompted rant on how poor (and he didn't use the word 'poor') the Apple keyboard was on his recent podcast (3rd most popular podcast in the world http://www.itunescharts.net/us/charts/podcasts/ ). The keyboard affects anyone who types. It's not a niche group of obsessi…

> It's not just developers and MacRumors posters. Joe Rogan - the comedian and MMA commentator - did a massive unprompted rant on how poor (and he didn't use the word 'poor') the Apple keyboard was on his recent podcast.

I honestly can't tell if this is satire or not.

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