Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time • Hacker News Board

Re: Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time

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Post by salvar » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 10:45 AM UTC

300bps wrote: post #78

salvar wrote: post #76

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It's a father setting rules for his daughter (and himself while he's at it). Of course it's biased. What's odd about that? I'd understand if this was published as a study, but it's literally a NY Times article telling a story.

You may have missed this part of the article near the beginning: “Just one problem: I don’t have a child, so I needed to borrow one. Fortunately, my editor gleefully volunteered her 14-year-old, Sophie, to be a test subject.”

Ah, I did. Thanks. I thought it was a writer/editor couple with a child.

Re: Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time

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Post by maccard » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 10:58 AM UTC

systemtest wrote: post #75

wink wrote: post #61

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I know tons of people here in Germany who have had their cars officially running with their parents' insurance well into their late 20s (basically as long as possible because it was simply like half the price), at least until some years ago. We also have this health insurance thing where you can be insured with your parents up until 25 I guess, if you're still going to school or university. Maybe your point is "peopl…

If you have a car on your parents insurance, you are not building up your "damage free years". So it's better to just pay for the high insurance at a young age so you will enjoy low insurance later on in life. At 26 I was already at the maximum of 80% discount on my car and motorcycle insurance.

It's cheaper for my younger brother to be on my parents insurance until he's ~25, and _then_ start building a no claims bonus than it is to start building the NCB now. Paying €1200/year for 4 years and then taking out his own policy starting from fresh is cheaper than paying €3000+ for his own policy and it gradually decreasing over the next 4 years.

Re: Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time

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Post by Tepix » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 11:04 AM UTC

Sounds like it works as intended.

Soo.. is there something equivalent for Android? If not, is something coming for Android P?

Re: Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time

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Post by notamicroshill » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 11:23 AM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #64

danso wrote: post #8

It's interesting to me, though not surprising, the the author is so surprised that a software/UI feature could be successful in reducing usage. As if being addicted to phone/software were an inextricable psychological/physiological characteristic/flaw. I used to use Reddit and Facebook a lot more regularly -- more than daily. But ever since I changed my password to something that I can't recall without a password man…

You only really need twitter if you want to stay up to date with the events of the day by the minute. Unless your profession dictates it why not stick to reading the news or hn in your own time?

Maybe the discourse that Twitter can offer is valuable to him?

Re: Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time

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Post by aldanor » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM UTC

Schwolop wrote: post #53

Angostura wrote: post #36

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You can't play consoles on the bus, in the street, at the table, on the toilet, in class, in the playground, at the library, in the cafe etc.

You haven't seen Nintendo's latest offering then, have you?

Or Sony's PS Vita.

Re: Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time

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Post by mixmastamyk » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM UTC

addicted wrote: post #77

thermodynthrway wrote: post #27

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I don't see it being any worse than the TV shows and consoles of years past. Or the arcade and bowling alleys of years before that. It's just the newest big time killer. All of those mediums are designed to be addictive and I don't think increased convenience makes it much worse

They are significantly worse. There is absolutely no comparison. 1) Phones combine actual essential features with “time killers”. With a TV or arcade games, there was no illusion of those activities being essential in any sense. So the easy response for both of those was to limit access time. You cannot do that as easily with modern phones (these features are an attempt to do so). 2) Availability. Your phone is with…

- Surveillance

- Documentation of mistakes

Re: Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time

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Post by aldanor » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:11 PM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #83

Sounds like it works as intended. Soo.. is there something equivalent for Android? If not, is something coming for Android P?

Quick googling yields https://families.google.com/familylink -- would that do?

Re: Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time

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Post by systemtest » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:19 PM UTC

maccard wrote: post #82

systemtest wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a car on your parents insurance, you are not building up your "damage free years". So it's better to just pay for the high insurance at a young age so you will enjoy low insurance later on in life. At 26 I was already at the maximum of 80% discount on my car and motorcycle insurance.

It's cheaper for my younger brother to be on my parents insurance until he's ~25, and _then_ start building a no claims bonus than it is to start building the NCB now. Paying €1200/year for 4 years and then taking out his own policy starting from fresh is cheaper than paying €3000+ for his own policy and it gradually decreasing over the next 4 years.

I guess it depends on the country and insurer. I insured my moped by myself at the age of 16. Paid €150 per year which was a lot of money for me. When I bought my first car at the age of 22 I only had to pay €300 per year for liability because my no-claims bonus was almost at the maximum amount.

Re: Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time

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Post by swebs » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:29 PM UTC

thermodynthrway wrote: post #16

You would think a teenager with a job could just get their own phone plan. I'm kinda thankful helicopter parenting is being undermined by technology (internet+Uber), maybe one day we will get back to reasonable parenting practices they had back in the 60's-70's. We don't let our kids roam the neighborhood anymore even though it's a magnitude safer than it was decades ago. I don't understand how we expect kids to star…

An important factor to consider is that the teenager in the article actually wanted the limits in place.

Re: Using Apple’s New Controls to Limit a Teenager’s iPhone Time

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Post by swebs » Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:37 PM UTC

visarga wrote: post #58

For years I tried limiting the screen time of my kids (back when iPhone was at versions 4 and 5). Never could manage to do it properly. My kids would always hack it. I concluded that Apple's interest in having kids spend as much time (and money) on the phone is opposite to mine and that's why they didn't allow proper parental controls. Now I just ask for the phone in the evening and give it back the next day. So much…

>For years I tried limiting the screen time of my kids (back when iPhone was at versions 4 and 5). Never could manage to do it properly. My kids would always hack it.

This may actually be the best way to teach technical literacy at a young age. When I was young, I thought computers were black boxes that ran on magic. Then I had parental controls set on my user account. I learned really quick about Windows privilege escalation, how to install Linux, WEP cracking, how to load homebrew on the Nintendo DS, etc. I don't think I would have ever gone into Computer Science otherwise.