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Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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I have only two problems with Chicago: 1. Winter 2. It's in Illinois. Which will take a century to dig itself out of a century of being the most corrupt state government in the US.

Louisiana is the most corrupt state and has been for quite some time.

Yeah you're right. Forgot about LA.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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You're making me miss my hometown. Everything there is just amazing, I love the city and the people in it. The people are so kind and the transportation is stellar, and you can listen to Fred & Angi on your way to work.

Hey, I can help with your home sickness. It's brutal winter here for 8 months followed by a manic, hot four months of summer. No spring or fall. It takes two hours to get to anything that could reasonably be called nature. The people are great, but their main form of socializing is heavy drinking. It's cold? Let's drink about it. It's hot? Let's drink about it. It's great, but no city is perfect.

It's too far away from the oceans which provide a temperate effect on the weather. The only place more brutal in the winter time would be northern Minnesota and North Dakota.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

#93
post #37

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> it’s written into the state constitution Which can be amended if there is popular will. I don’t think state pensions are enforceable under federal law.

But isn't the population of Chicago (like the rest of the US) getting older? Aren't the demographics shifting against the political popularity of cutting pension payments?

If the tax burden makes young people leave, they'll have to raise taxes even more on the remaining young people, causing more to leave, in a vicious cycle.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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I've lived in Chicago for nearly 10 years and will continue preaching its advantages to anyone who will listen. Crime isn't as big a problem as people think it is (it's isolated to a few long-disadvantaged neighborhoods), it's affordable, cars are optional, and we have two airports to escape the winter weather.

I tried living in Chicago without a car… I wouldn’t say it is as optional as you suggest.

I tried living in Chicago with a car and I had my parents drive it back home 9mo later after having never used it past the first 30 days.

Chicago compared to anything not east coast is a life changing experience in terms of transit.

Yes, it's getting harder and more expensive. When I first moved to Chicago in 2004 though, it was cheap ($1100/mo for a 2BR apartment) to live a few stops from the loop off the blue line. That is rapidly changing, but still plenty of cheap transit-friendly locations if you're not super picky.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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Lake effects winters are nothing to scoff at. Cold temperatures, wind, and excessive snow/freezing rain make for some really miserable times.

Sitting here in the middle of a heatwave, I have to ask: are they really that bad when you can just add warm-weather clothing? Or when even just moving will generate some heat? I've heard in Wisconsin you have to breathe a certain way to warm the air before it gets to your lungs, so maybe that's the problem? I've only lived in hot climates, so I have no concept of true cold. But with how summers have been getting hot…

I think it depends on the person quite a bit. For some folks winter is utterly miserable.

For others who generally stay indoors all year anyways, it's pretty easy.

Most are somewhere in between. I will say the winters here can get long some years, but Chicago has to be either the best, or among the best summer cities in the world. Yeah you get a few super hot muggy days, but those almost let you appreciate winter more. It's an absolutely gorgeous and fun city in the summer - and in the winter if drinking is your thing it's not so bad. If you hate drinking, you might not make it.

The one really weird thing about Chicago (coming from MN) is that the house construction is utterly horrible for cold weather. If it hits negative temps you can expect plenty of your friends to have pipes freeze. This may be getting better as units get rehabbed but it really contributes to the misery.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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post #5

I've lived in Chicago for nearly 10 years and will continue preaching its advantages to anyone who will listen. Crime isn't as big a problem as people think it is (it's isolated to a few long-disadvantaged neighborhoods), it's affordable, cars are optional, and we have two airports to escape the winter weather.

I tried living in Chicago without a car… I wouldn’t say it is as optional as you suggest.

I live in Chicago and recently sold my car. I can't imagine living here with a car anymore. My car collected dust, and when I did drive on occasion it was an awful experience. Basically from what I learned driving in Chicago: don't ever use your turn signal and obnoxiously use your horn.

I'll take the train instead.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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post #93
post #37

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But isn't the population of Chicago (like the rest of the US) getting older? Aren't the demographics shifting against the political popularity of cutting pension payments?

If the tax burden makes young people leave, they'll have to raise taxes even more on the remaining young people, causing more to leave, in a vicious cycle.

Exactly. This is why I’m unreassured by blithe dismissals that “oh you can just raise taxes, what’s the problem”. The problem is that no one has to join the Ponzi scheme, and that’s exactly why many corporate PAYGO plans failed!

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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post #89

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I tried living in Chicago without a car… I wouldn’t say it is as optional as you suggest.

> I tried living in Chicago without a car Really depends on where you live and want to be. This is true everywhere (NYC, SF, Seattle, etc.)

I would definitely not put NYC and Chicago in the same category for no-car friendliness.

I spent many years in NYC and only knew 1 person who owned a car.

By contrast, when I lived in Chicago, I was the only person without a car.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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The article specifically mentions Boston, San Francisco, Washington and New York as other skyscraper cities. I think their "definition" of skyscraper city is a more about density than just the number of 40+ story buildings. I think possibly the only legit "skyscraper city" that has been left out according to the article's "definition" would be Philadelphia which is affordable still.

Wikipedia doesn't show anything in Washington, DC, higher than 15 stories, for what that's worth. I certainly have never thought of it as a "skyscraper city".

The urban area of DC is much larger than literal Washington DC and many places there that are technically suburbs certainly do have skyscrapers. For example, "Crystal City", which is technically in Virginia but functionally part of DC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_City,_Arlington,_Virgi...

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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post #83
post #74

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Sitting here in the middle of a heatwave, I have to ask: are they really that bad when you can just add warm-weather clothing? Or when even just moving will generate some heat? I've heard in Wisconsin you have to breathe a certain way to warm the air before it gets to your lungs, so maybe that's the problem? I've only lived in hot climates, so I have no concept of true cold. But with how summers have been getting hot…

Overall it's really not as bad as people make it out to be. Of course I've lived here all my life. There are periodic cold snaps where it gets way below freezing, but typically it is in the 20's (F). The trick for winter is to embrace it, and wear appropriate clothing. For snow removal you may need heavy machinery (I just use a sleigh shovel, works great). For clothing, a good flannel shirt with a vest jacket and hat…

I lived in Chicago for several years and while the temperature and snow is a lot more extreme in Chicago the winter is a hell of a lot more tolerable than in Sweden where I live now. This is because where I live in Sweden is moderate temperature wise compared to Chicago but the sun basically just never comes out and you have constant cold rain for about 7 months. Chicago will definitely see enough sunshine during the winter to keep you in reasonably good spirits.

Also you forgot to mention for clothing to wear something under your jeans (my trick was sweatpants) to protect yourself from that Chicago wind whipping through them :)

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