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Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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I've lived in Chicago for nearly 10 years and will continue preaching its advantages to anyone who will listen. Crime isn't as big a problem as people think it is (it's isolated to a few long-disadvantaged neighborhoods), it's affordable, cars are optional, and we have two airports to escape the winter weather.

I tried living in Chicago without a car… I wouldn’t say it is as optional as you suggest.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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post #5

I've lived in Chicago for nearly 10 years and will continue preaching its advantages to anyone who will listen. Crime isn't as big a problem as people think it is (it's isolated to a few long-disadvantaged neighborhoods), it's affordable, cars are optional, and we have two airports to escape the winter weather.

Nah. The job opportunities for people newly graduating are piss poor in Chicago compared to elsewhere. A lot of old opinions on work prevail, compared to new flexibility in working that we're seeing. Also, having lived in the suburbs for a while, I was shocked how much casual racism is present there. Chicago is in many ways trapped in the past. It's corrupt and dirty. When I see billboards for strip clubs above spraw…

"I was shocked how much casual racism is present there."

Don't move to California then as it's probably one of the most shockingly(it's California!) racist places I've ever lived. And I'm from Chicago!

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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I'm not entirely sure I follow the logical argument: regulation is relaxed along transit arteries, allowing developers to build and sell more units there at market rates, thereby keeping the market prices in check; that's great. But I would assume someone capable of paying market rates, typically still owns a car. That car still needs a parking space, so even if the owner does not use it for his daily commute, the pr…

Chicago is definitely enough of a 'big city' that people choose to forego car ownership. I work in an office of developers, and people only tend to get a car once they have kids, and then they only have one car for the family.

I own two parking spaces in a private garage on the edge of downtown - have one car and rent the other space. 5 years ago, I could rent it for $300 per month with a waiting list of people that want it. Today I am renting it for $200 per month and it would take a week or so to find a new tenant. In that time, my neighborhood has grown considerably and has become much more expensive.

Multiple car ownership (or ownership at all) just isn't that desirable any more and Chicago's relaxation of minimum parking requirements are very much market-driven. Parking costs a lot of money to build and takes up a lot of space in a building. Because there is nothing preventing a developer from building more parking than required, he or she has the freedom to match market demand.

There is a 50-floor, ~500-unit apartment building under construction in my neighborhood that, due to its proximity to a train station, was required to build exactly 0 parking spaces. The developer chose to build around 75.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

#54

I'm going to dispute this claim. Pittsburgh, PA has skyscrapers[1], defined as any building with or over 40 floors, and is more affordable then Chicago[2]. In fact Atlanta, GA also fits in this category as well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_P... [2] https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...

I didn't read the entire article and then got blocked by a paywall but I do not believe "skyscraper city" is well defined, so not hard to dispute. According to this list https://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?10=1 Chicago has the second most skyscrapers of any US city. Philadelphia is #7 on that list and is still affordable. If Philly is not considered a "skyscraper city" than that means there were only 6 or less of them…

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Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

#55

I'm not entirely sure I follow the logical argument: regulation is relaxed along transit arteries, allowing developers to build and sell more units there at market rates, thereby keeping the market prices in check; that's great. But I would assume someone capable of paying market rates, typically still owns a car. That car still needs a parking space, so even if the owner does not use it for his daily commute, the pr…

> But I would assume someone capable of paying market rates, typically still owns a car. That car still needs a parking space, so even if the owner does not use it for his daily commute, the presence of the car still has an impact.

I can't find the study, but there's actually some data to back up what you're saying regarding TODs -- people generally still cling to their cars despite living close to public transit.

But it's not necessarily a black-and-white issue. You have to look at actual miles driven to get a clear picture.

For example, I live in Chicago near a CTA Blue Line station and Metra Station. We've have gone weeks without using the car. We drive, maybe 2,500 miles/year, with a chunk of that visiting my father up in Wisconsin. But we'd never give it up since we have a kid and that just makes things easier.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to your source (Wikipedia), Chicago has around 78 buildings over 550 feet. Pittsburgh has 19 and Atlanta has 16. So the article is right and Chicago is still in a league of its own in that regard.

That Chicago number will be over 80 by the end of the year.

Which buildings are you thinking of? I'm aware of two that are under construction (the wavy building on the river near lakeshore east and the building at michigan and roosevelt), but I don't think either will be open by EOY.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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I'm going to dispute this claim. Pittsburgh, PA has skyscrapers[1], defined as any building with or over 40 floors, and is more affordable then Chicago[2]. In fact Atlanta, GA also fits in this category as well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_P... [2] https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...

According to your source (Wikipedia), Chicago has around 78 buildings over 550 feet. Pittsburgh has 19 and Atlanta has 16. So the article is right and Chicago is still in a league of its own in that regard.

The article specifically mentions Boston, San Francisco, Washington and New York as other skyscraper cities. I think their "definition" of skyscraper city is a more about density than just the number of 40+ story buildings.

I think possibly the only legit "skyscraper city" that has been left out according to the article's "definition" would be Philadelphia which is affordable still.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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I'm not entirely sure I follow the logical argument: regulation is relaxed along transit arteries, allowing developers to build and sell more units there at market rates, thereby keeping the market prices in check; that's great. But I would assume someone capable of paying market rates, typically still owns a car. That car still needs a parking space, so even if the owner does not use it for his daily commute, the pr…

Chicago is definitely enough of a 'big city' that people choose to forego car ownership. I work in an office of developers, and people only tend to get a car once they have kids, and then they only have one car for the family.

After college, I actually moved from the Chicago suburbs into the city in part because I don't like driving and didn't want to get a car. It's worked pretty well.

Re: Chicago Is America's Last Remaining Affordable Skyscraper City

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post #16

I love Chicago. I've visited most of the major cities in the U.S. and Chicago is the only one that seems comparable to NYC's historic, big city feel.

I've only visited a couple times but I thought if it wasn't for the brutal winters, it might be the best city in the US for me.
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