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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#751

Post by hirundo » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 7:45 PM UTC

BrendanEich wrote: post #748

manfredo wrote: post #133

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There exists no universal perspective of what is harmful and what is not. In fact, the notion that prohibiting gay marriage is harmful is nowhere near as universally accepted as your comment makes it out to be. Remember, California passed Proposition 8 (the proposition to ban gay marriage) with a 52% majority in 2008. Eich's views were in line with the majority . Mozilla sent the message that the majority of Californ…

Thanks. ICYMI, I've posted before on HN about false claims of unlawful harm that keep coming up. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14845509 as a source of links; also for the thread in which it lives, which unfortunately runs to high indentation level before trailing off. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14849041 is worth a read too on the topic of law and harm. Why does this matter now? Obviously it matte…

It isn't a choice between attention to your case and attention to substance. If people who respect you heed you, and those who don't, don't, then your name by default becomes a cultural prop for the auto-da-fe. That's worth countering with an occasional dissenting web post.

I agree that our most critical current tech challenge, maybe on par with energy, curing disease or extraterrestrial diaspora, is the decentralization of internet services. You are peculiarly positioned to make a positive contribution to that. If the inquisition succeeds in quashing you they may accomplish genuine harm.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#752

Post by BrendanEich » Sun, Jul 08, 2018, 1:55 AM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #751

BrendanEich wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. ICYMI, I've posted before on HN about false claims of unlawful harm that keep coming up. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14845509 as a source of links; also for the thread in which it lives, which unfortunately runs to high indentation level before trailing off. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14849041 is worth a read too on the topic of law and harm. Why does this matter now? Obviously it matte…

It isn't a choice between attention to your case and attention to substance. If people who respect you heed you, and those who don't, don't, then your name by default becomes a cultural prop for the auto-da-fe. That's worth countering with an occasional dissenting web post. I agree that our most critical current tech challenge, maybe on par with energy, curing disease or extraterrestrial diaspora, is the decentraliza…

I would not exaggerate either my role, or the power of any would-be Inquisition. People give mobs too much credit (to bootstrap power they do not merit) or blame (to excuse or cover up prior problems that can be seen through the mob's crowd, if you are willing to look).

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by communist_ » Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 5:44 PM UTC

BrendanEich wrote: post #750

communist_ wrote: post #749

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This is not true. I have friends who were working at Mozilla who tweeted condemning you.

At the Mozilla Corporation? That was what @dagenix specified in the grandparent comment by "... his employees ...." Unless they deleted their tweets, let's see those twitter links. A green handle of "communist_" does not inspire automatic belief that you truly had friends at Mozilla Corporation or know of any such tweets. Again, if you mean the six Mozilla Foundation employees who tweeted against me as (poorly) repor…

Yes, at the Mozilla Corporation. Steve Klabnik, for one.