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TSA screeners win immunity from flier abuse claims: U.S. appeals court

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Re: TSA screeners win immunity from flier abuse claims: U.S. appeals court

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> She and her husband had sued for false arrest, false imprisonment and malicious prosecution over a July 2006 altercation at Philadelphia International Airport.

Why does it take 12 years to get this far in a case? It seems like a right to a speedy trial should apply to civil cases too.

Re: TSA screeners win immunity from flier abuse claims: U.S. appeals court

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The opinion is here (should be up on the CA3 website later today): http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=310762278918844.... The relevant discussion starts at 12-13.

The gist of the suit is this: Ordinarily, you cannot sue the federal government (sovereign immunity). The Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA), broadly waives sovereign immunity for tort claims. An exception to that waiver of immunity is where the agent of the government commits an intentional tort (e.g. federal employee punches you, as opposed to accidentally running over your dog, which would be a negligent tort). However, that exception does not apply to law enforcement officers--under the FTCA, the federal government takes responsibility for the intentional torts of law enforcement.

Ordinarily, even if you cannot sue the government, you can sue the individual officer in his personal capacity. Under the Westfall Act, however, the FTCA is the exclusive remedy for torts of federal agents acting within the scope of their employment.

That leaves a loophole: you can sue federal law enforcement officers under the FTCA for both intentional and negligent torts. But if the federal agent is not a law enforcement officer, you can only sue her for negligent torts. The issue in this case is whether TSA agents are law enforcement officers such that you can sue the federal government for their intentional torts.

The majority holding is probably correct as a matter of statutory interpretation. Still, it puts TSA in a weird loophole, where they act like law enforcement officers (including all of the power-tripping that can result in commission of intentional torts), but can't be held liable under the FTCA like law enforcement officers. The dissent makes a good point:

> Circuit Judge Thomas Ambro dissented from Wednesday’s decision.

> “By analogizing TSA searches to routine administrative inspections, my colleagues preclude victims of TSA abuses from obtaining any meaningful remedy for a variety of intentional tort claims,” he wrote.

Re: TSA screeners win immunity from flier abuse claims: U.S. appeals court

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post #3

> She and her husband had sued for false arrest, false imprisonment and malicious prosecution over a July 2006 altercation at Philadelphia International Airport. Why does it take 12 years to get this far in a case? It seems like a right to a speedy trial should apply to civil cases too.

> It seems like a right to a speedy trial should apply to civil cases too.

It doesn't apply to civil cases, and it doesn't apply to the suing party in any case: it applies to the defense (only) in criminal cases. Read the Sixth Amendment.

If you’d like to change that, there is a process for Constitutional Amendments. There are good reasons attached to the impacts of pending criminal charges (which can include pre-trial detention or restrictive bail terms) why speed is prioritized over other factors as a right of criminal defendants and not litigants generally, though.

Re: TSA screeners win immunity from flier abuse claims: U.S. appeals court

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The best interaction I ever had with the TSA was when I came upon a pair openly wearing their uniforms around a grocery store, so I was able to call them fascist child molesters to their faces.

>* The best interaction I ever had with the TSA was when I came upon a pair openly wearing their uniforms around a grocery store, so I was able to call them fascist child molesters right to their faces.*

I'm no fan of the TSA, but do you think that was productive?

Maybe direct your ire at the people at the top who make these policies instead.

There's been progress on that front with several Trump administration officials confronted while dining for example.

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post #6

The best interaction I ever had with the TSA was when I came upon a pair openly wearing their uniforms around a grocery store, so I was able to call them fascist child molesters to their faces.

>* The best interaction I ever had with the TSA was when I came upon a pair openly wearing their uniforms around a grocery store, so I was able to call them fascist child molesters right to their faces.* I'm no fan of the TSA, but do you think that was productive? Maybe direct your ire at the people at the top who make these policies instead. There's been progress on that front with several Trump administration offic…

It's not an either-or ;-)

Re: TSA screeners win immunity from flier abuse claims: U.S. appeals court

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post #3

> She and her husband had sued for false arrest, false imprisonment and malicious prosecution over a July 2006 altercation at Philadelphia International Airport. Why does it take 12 years to get this far in a case? It seems like a right to a speedy trial should apply to civil cases too.

The civil suit was filed in 2009, and took 5 years to go to trial. It looks like nobody was in a hurry--the plaintiff filed a ton of motions to extend various filing deadlines. Then the appeal was slowed down because the plaintiff was proceeding pro se. After briefing was complete, the court, apparently not wanting to leave these issues to the pro se briefs, ordered appointment of amicus curiae counsel on behalf of the plaintiff, along with further briefing.

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>* The best interaction I ever had with the TSA was when I came upon a pair openly wearing their uniforms around a grocery store, so I was able to call them fascist child molesters right to their faces.* I'm no fan of the TSA, but do you think that was productive? Maybe direct your ire at the people at the top who make these policies instead. There's been progress on that front with several Trump administration offic…

It's not an either-or ;-)

Heh point taken.

I'm no slave to civility by any means, but I am mindful that screaming at a couple off duty agents trying to shop, who I've had no prior interaction with, probably does not help my cause ;-)

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post #6

The best interaction I ever had with the TSA was when I came upon a pair openly wearing their uniforms around a grocery store, so I was able to call them fascist child molesters to their faces.

>* The best interaction I ever had with the TSA was when I came upon a pair openly wearing their uniforms around a grocery store, so I was able to call them fascist child molesters right to their faces.* I'm no fan of the TSA, but do you think that was productive? Maybe direct your ire at the people at the top who make these policies instead. There's been progress on that front with several Trump administration offic…

> There's been progress on that front with several Trump administration officials confronted while dining for example.

What is the progress / outcome? Have there been any changes in policy resulting from public confrontations?

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