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Ex-Apple Employee Stole Secrets for Chinese Firm, U.S. Says

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Post by abalone »

briandear wrote: post #113
noobermin wrote: post #97

Seriously HN, every time these posts come up, it becomes a fest for racists to pin their one off experience with Chinese people onto the entire race of people, the definition of racism. I do want to hear an ex-Apple employee doing corporate espionage may be, but I don't want to hear about your Chinese grad students. That has nothing do do with the story other than the race of the individuals. I'm almost at the point…

Perhaps make an argument using some data. Do Chinese companies engage in IP theft or corporate espionage at a higher rate than other countries? Is there a cultural point of relevance rather than race? We don’t hear of many stories of ethnic Chinese Singaporeans or Taiwanese doing this sort of thing — when it comes to Chinese, it’s almost exclusively related to mainland, Communist China. Is it racial to point out that…

> We don’t hear of many stories of ethnic Chinese Singaporeans or Taiwanese doing this sort of thing...

We literally heard a story of a white American doing this exact thing just last year.[1] Nobody complained about America's cultural/political tendencies. Even though there's plenty of academic cheating here.[2] It was just about that white guy. The racism is in the double standard and confirmation bias.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Levandowski

[2] https://www.chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/1-in-5-harvard-gradua...

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #18
sjroot wrote: post #11

Disclaimer: I am speaking from personal experiences and know that, despite these experiences, there are tons of Chinese engineers who work their ass off and maintain great professional integrity. That said...my experience with Chinese graduate students has been incredibly disappointing. While they made up the majority of our graduate computer science program, most had no respect for academic conduct guidelines. I exp…

It’s funny how afraid people are about tiptoeing around this issue. Cheating among chinese students is widespread and blatant, and they do not even pretend to care. They are completely shameless about it. Everyone with Chinese students knows it, but it’s politically incorrect to call it out. Which they are also aware of, and take advantage of.

It’s funny that this comment is flagged down, but also one of my most upvoted comments ever. Controversial apparently.

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Post by tlear »

kasey_junk wrote: post #38
tlear wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not know all cultures are same? To Re-education camp with you. Being a TA for undergrad courses this pattern is very common. Other group that consistently gets caught was guys from ME. East Europeans cheat but they almost always put enough effort to make it hard to catch. Thing is that universities do not prosecute this at all. I have seen people graduate who I think never submitted their own assignment at all…

When I TA’d many years ago you could graph the frat brothers by their test/assignment answers.

I went to school in Canada, frats are not big here.

Said prof I mentioned had this thing where he would give basically identical test to test in lets say 4 years ago. But there would be couple tiny changes, like index of summation using j instead of k, maybe addition -1 term somewhere.

Like clockwork EVERY single time at least 15-20 people out of class of 100 would get nailed. Since he had tenure and been around for like 30 years he did not give a shit he would fail them all. So all of these guys would take this course as correspondence course in other school.

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Post by kaneroberts963 »

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Post by candiodari »

abalone wrote: post #116

The anti-Chinese sentiment on this thread is T H I C K. May I remind everyone that not so long ago another guy was caught red-handed downloading autonomous vehicle IP from a major SV firm to take with him to a new company. He was a white American.[1] I don't recall hearing much about rampant cheating at top U.S. universities as a cultural norm[2] where "note-sharing and consulting teaching fellows was widespread."[3]…

The issue is what the result will be long-term of these actions.

Currently we allow innovative firms to pay a lot of money for engineers who then develop unique and great products that carry a premium. This applies pretty much across the developed world.

If "IP theft" is allowed to occur at any decent scale, every market will rapidly become a race to the bottom, and premium products will simply cease to exist, with a lot of casualties in both the companies involved and the engineers doing development.

So what does it have to do with China, and Chinese nationals ? Well simple: the Chinese government has large-scale corporate espionage as a stated goal [1] and has gotten caught red-handed in more than a few cookie jars, for example [2] ... that is seriously at odds with the goals of, frankly, every engineer and company worldwide (even Chinese ones). Note that in most cases, this appears to be not "actual" corporate espionage, but it is actually the state organizing large-scale corporate espionage (and sabotage in some cases), then going out to Chinese companies and actually forcing them to use the stolen data.

The predictable response is of course that engineers, companies, management and even unions will start systematically boycotting anything to do with the Chinese state, and that includes Chinese nationals' job prospects. This does not reflect on them, except insofar as they support this disgraceful state policy, but there is no alternative.

The ideal solution would be that Chinese people start sabotaging and striking and ... until the Chinese state gets the message. That's what SHOULD happen. After that, trust can be earned again. When the Chinese state starts cooperating and imposing large scale fines on companies caught duplicating products with stolen data, then this can end.

Obviously the current situation cannot exist for any real length of time without ever more serious consequences.

Now I get it, the Chinese state is trying very hard to confuse acting against their spying with "racism" (funny that given their ethnic and religious policies in China that that is not considered disgraceful. This is Hitler berating countries for not treating Jews well (which, incidentally, he did do, hell, he even had a point))

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_Unite...

[2] https://www.pddnet.com/news/2017/10/video-day-four-legged-ro...

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Post by candiodari »

briandear wrote: post #113
noobermin wrote: post #97

Seriously HN, every time these posts come up, it becomes a fest for racists to pin their one off experience with Chinese people onto the entire race of people, the definition of racism. I do want to hear an ex-Apple employee doing corporate espionage may be, but I don't want to hear about your Chinese grad students. That has nothing do do with the story other than the race of the individuals. I'm almost at the point…

Perhaps make an argument using some data. Do Chinese companies engage in IP theft or corporate espionage at a higher rate than other countries? Is there a cultural point of relevance rather than race? We don’t hear of many stories of ethnic Chinese Singaporeans or Taiwanese doing this sort of thing — when it comes to Chinese, it’s almost exclusively related to mainland, Communist China. Is it racial to point out that…

The issue is that the Chinese government has corporate espionage as a policy goal. It's actually ridiculous on both sides: China gets spies into US companies that steal (sometimes on an ongoing basis) internal company documents, source code, ... and then "gives" it to Chinese companies "asking them" to use it, sometimes creating new companies in the process.

That's the big deal. It's not racism, but of course most Chinese did not choose this organisation as their state, and they are where the rubber meets the road.

Or to put a more direct answer on: yes, Chinese steal IP at a much higher rate than others.

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Post by sparkpeasy »

noobermin wrote: post #117
MikeAmelung wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if the normally extremely anti-racism posters of HN have concerns about Chinese people, we should automatically assume it’s racism.

There was an article a while back about Chinese cultural attitudes. That might have been tangentially related to "concerns about Chinese people." This article has nothing to do with Chinese culture, it has to do with corporate espionage. It just so happens that this fellow is Chinese and was moving to work at a Chinese firm. That's it. Occam's razor suggests that the person was motivated by greed, either his or the n…

Counterfeit goods are made and sold at a scale unseen in the West in China. There are markets the size of football fields hawking these rip offs. How is it racist to suggest the Chinese have a laissez faire attitude about copying others' work?
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