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Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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It's weird. I used to love Ubuntu, but after 8.04 I just stopped liking it. The little things niggled away at me. The bloat, the fear of upgrades breaking things (this is why my main home file server still runs 8.04, something I'm not happy about) if you have a slightly nonstandard install. I switched to Arch for my main home laptop and breathed new life into a PIII-850 with 128mb of RAM. Ubuntu would've killed it. I…

Weird. Its since 8.04 and onwards that upgrades STOPPED breaking things for me. Its been a golden era for Ubuntu.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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There was a time when you had to carefully choose your hardware to work with Linux. These days, you have to carefully choose your hardware in order to experience problems. I am surprised by how many people do the latter.

If 95% of components work on Ubuntu, and your computer life involves 25 components (start counting, you'll hit it pretty quickly), Ubuntu is totally broken for about 75% or so of users. If Mom's camera or wireless doesn't work, she does not perceive the computer as being mostly functional.

I think the 25 component number is a bit of an exaggeration. Also, you assume a perfectly even distribution among component pairs and that's not the way computers are designed these days. You won't find an AMD box with Intel GMA graphics, for instance.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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yeah, until the repository maintainers mess up, create two packages that are in conflict, and yet both installed on your system, and now every attempt to update your software fails because you have out-of-date dependencies that can't be updated due to the conflict. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm a bit bitter about my fedora install at the moment :) That said, I think you overestimate the delta between OSX and the va…

I'm not sure I follow your suggestion of "package it into your app/lib yourself". Are you suggesting manually installing stuff that isn't available from Macports or Fink? Or something else? For the record I'm pretty green when it comes to Unix sysadmin stuff so go easy... I'm genuinely interested - I'm a new Mac user who came from Linux and my biggest issue on the Mac so far is that package management isn't as good a…

For what it's worth, I'm an ex-Mac user who went back to Linux because I missed apt. Of course, I do a lot of hobby programming and general messing around with open-source software; if your use-cases tend more towards pre-packaged software, you might get on perfectly well.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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"it runs on every piece of hardware you throw at it" That's what continues to impress me about Ubuntu - I've installed it on everything from PPC-era Macs to dodgy little netbooks and it invariably 'just works'.

Not all hardware. I couldn't even get the install disc for 10.04 to boot on my 2010 13" MacBook Pro. I'll give it another try when 10.10 comes out, but Ubintu definitely does not "just work" on all hardware.

Installing Ubuntu on a MacBook feels wrong. It was designed to run MacOS X. Even the chassis finish matches the window chrome...

In my interesting computer collection, I have a couple IBM PPC/POWER machines. When I acquired the first one, it took me some work to procure a set of AIX disks (DDS tapes would do) that would install on the machine. Several friends of mine suggested I should install Debian and be done with it, but I felt that would make them less interesting and opposed it. When I finally installed AIX, I felt they were complete, with the system they were designed to run, it all its CDE glory.

Last time I plugged a Mac keyboard on my Linux netbook, not even the function keys worked. It muted the speaker when I tried a search...

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Ubuntu is excellent, except: 1. Firefox and Chrome are very slow and freezing, when opening many tabs. 2. Flash plugin is crashing constantly 3. OpenOffice is very slow and freezing. Can't render properly MS Office documents.

> 1. Firefox and Chrome are very slow and freezing, when opening many tabs.

> 2. Flash plugin is crashing constantly

Try that without the flash plugin.

> 3. OpenOffice is very slow and freezing. Can't render properly MS Office documents.

I find it more likely that Office can't save its files according to whatever is the current Office file spec.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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I've been using Ubuntu since 6.04, longer than any other Linux distribution (one or the other has been my main desktop since 1999). I have to say, though that of course, Ubuntu wouldn't exist as it is without the grandeur of Debian - thanks, Debian.

You probably meant 6.06. That was my first Ubuntu as well, though it was also my first Linux distribution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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There's no way the "average computer user" is going to be satisfied with an operating system that doesn't come preinstalled on their computer, that isn't officially supported by the manufacturer of their computer, and that they consequently have to deal with the various possible technical problems of. Non-technical users don't install operating systems. Ubuntu is the closest candidate to fixing the structural problem…

>Non-technical users don't install operating systems. Look, this is probably generally true - however, the last bare metal Ubuntu install I did was as simply as insert disc, click the install prompts, accept all defaults and your done. Yeah, it took an hour or two all told. It certainly has been quite different in the past but any user that can watch a DVD on their computer can install an [selected] OS if they want t…

I do agree that unless you're particularly unlucky hardware-wise, an Ubuntu installation is more likely to succeed nowadays than fail. But they may be able to survive the installation, yet end up with minor to moderate problems that degrade the entire experience, which wouldn't be there, had their operating system been preinstalled, tested and supported with their hardware.

The question of hardware compatibility and other technicalities aside, the entire notion of the "operating system" being decoupled from the computer and installable separately is alien to most non-technical computer users, and the idea of installing a "third party" operating system is simply uninteresting; which is why I said "don't", not "can't". Why should they, when they already bought a computer with an "operating system", and it largely works?

My point is that the "download an .iso file from the internet, burn a CD / flash disk and install something called an operating system" model, while it's largely successful for the audience it's intended for today, is not way to advance the use of free operating systems in the broader computing ecosystem; striving towards more viable and widespread Linux-preinstalled devices is. But surely the success of the former will reinforce the latter, since a critical mass is needed.

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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Both Windows and Mac OS X have server versions, that can easily be installed on desktops.

...neither of which come with the normal versions (and, indeed, are quite a bit more expensive), so most people will never even touch them on their PCs.

Most ppl haven't touched Linux on their PC either ;-)

There is a 6 month trial of Windows Server http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/trial-softw...

Students can get a Windows Server licence for $19 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/gautam/archive/2010/02/18/msdnaa-sof...

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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I love ubuntu! Although Lucid has done something that drives me nuts. The devs decided it would be nice to add a Gnome login to Netbook-Remix Sounds nice, but they decided limit a bunch of features in the old interface so it would not conflict. I love you ubuntu but you need to stop taking away my power!

Re: Thank you, Ubuntu

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I would rephrase that "[some] Intel graphics cards do not work with the new Ubuntus". The problem is that Intel has chosen to prevent Ubuntu from supporting those graphics cards, not that Ubuntu cannot support them and not that Ubuntu choses to not support them. In the cases that I looked at, Intel licensed graphics "IP" from third parties that had severe restrictions on what technical information could be published…

I am using the same computer which used to work with 7.04. How come something that was working in 7.04 suddenly break in 8.10?

You don't say what Intel graphics chip you have problems with, but your problem matches the GMA 500.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#GMA_500_on_Linux

"GMA 500 support on Linux is not optimal. The driver is developed by Tungsten Graphics, not by Intel, and the graphic core is not an Intel one, but is licensed from PowerVR. This has led to an uncertain mix of open and closed source 3d accelerated drivers, instability and lack of support."

Read the rest of the section, it gives some hope that the support has improved since 2008.

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