Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

Post by nradov » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 6:05 PM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #416

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Basically buying stuff made in poor countries. This (more than literally anything else) has made a staggering improvement in the lives of hundreds of millions of people over the last few decades.

> Basically buying stuff made in poor countries. Capitalism is also farm subsidies, tax breaks and other corporate handouts given by rich nations that destroy the farming industries in poor countries. Capitalism (as currently practised, or in its purest, unregulated form) is not an untarnished 'good' by itself. This is without considering how capital is leveraged to the detriment of anything protecting poor people in…

Post by JustSomeNobody » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 6:11 PM UTC

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People blast McDonalds for putting phrases about tragic situations on their signs. People criticize them for being opportunistic and capitalizing on a tragedy. So, how is this different? Because he happens to be able to build a "submersible" for kids, he should get a pass? Why can't McDonalds say, "Our thoughts are with you" and get a pass?[0] This was pure PR. Everyone claims he's so smart and all this, but he ignor…

>>So, how is this different? Because he happens to be able to build a "submersible" for kids, he should get a pass? Because this wasn't Tesla or SpaceX taking out an ad and saying 'look at all the good we can do!' this was a human using resources in his means to help a situation. In the end it was futile, but it's pretty amazing that they were able to prototype something in days and offer support in the way they know…

Post by snackbugs » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 6:15 PM UTC

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Ideologically there is no difference to previous uses of the term. Historically it refers to concentration camps of the second Boer War where over 150,000 people died in camps which concentrated specific settler populations in a manner that made the thinning of their population a foregone conclusion. If it evokes the use of the concept you dislike, rethink your moral stance on it. Not the phrasing of the concept.

It doesn't evoke; it denotes. Like "rain" refers to "water falling from the sky". Not a moral stance whatsoever. The word for non-murderous concentration camps is "internment".

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 6:26 PM UTC

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It's odd that you admit you don't know what went down but are still passing judgement. Even if he did, he didn't interfere or impede rescue efforts and gave them a tool they could possible use in the future. It's cool and a nice thing to do, and doesn't really seem like a big deal.

He did impede rescue efforts if the people on location had to spend even one second on thinking about some half baked solution instead of the task at hand. Why did he do all his stuff in public attracting a lot of attention away from the people risking their lives instead of working on it quietly?

Post by _ea1k » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 6:30 PM UTC

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Why wasn't the death of Saman Gunan more widely publicized? I barely heard about it - in the NYT article on this it's a single sentence 2/3rds of the way through the article. I'd have thought that the concept of someone sacrificing themselves for the recovery of 12 children would have been a major story. The Guardian's liveblog (or whatever this is) doesn't mention it in the first couple pages, nor do the responses o…