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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by nickysielicki » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 2:59 PM UTC

typon wrote: post #149

throwawayqdhd wrote: post #110

You really have to love Wikipedia. It's barely a week old and you already have a page with so many references and detailed information. Thank you, all the anonymous contributors.

Wikipedia is the best website for following: 1. Current events. 2. Sports tournaments. The information entropy level is quite high, with basically no ads, extremely good formatting (relevant tables, charts etc.), and relatively unbiased. This doesn't even mention the benefit of getting simple background information on the subjects with just a simple click (or even a hover these days) It's really a treasure.

I strongly disagree about current events. The Merrick Garland wikipedia page was a mess immediately after he was nominated, and I've just checked and the word "unprecedented" appears 7 times, in spite of the fact that it is by-no-means unprecedented for the senate to not consider a nomination [1]. There are a lot of partisan editors that wish to astroturf for their own political convictions, and because Wikipedia articles are generally so nonpartisan after they've had some time to mature, I think it's especially problematic because readers don't realize that a fast-moving article is nowhere near up to standards.

[1]: "During the 1852 campaign between Democrat Franklin Pierce and Whig Winfield Scott, Justice John McKinley died in July. President Millard Fillmore, a Whig who was not running for reelection, nominated three candidates — one in August, one in January and one in February. The Democratic-controlled Senate took no action on two candidates and the third withdrew after the Senate postponed a vote until after inauguration. One of Fillmore’s nominations was never even considered by the Senate, while the other was simply tabled." from https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/...

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by jcranmer » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 2:59 PM UTC

sametmax wrote: post #5

bitcharmer wrote: post #2

I was so glad to learn about it. This was such an unlikely rescue mission and amazingly heroic effort from everyone involved. If I was religious I'd say this was a miracle. Just very happy every one is ok.

The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long. First, the first time I fasted I was quited stressed about it, and it was in controlled, cozy environment. Second, they didn't know if anybody would come. Not even if somebody could come. For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark, they wondered. I'…

> The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long.

You can go a few weeks without food. The cave is likely at a consistent enough temperature that you're not going to freeze to death (sweating is more likely to be your real issue), so the only real constraint is potable water.

It's also been commented that the children had no idea they were trapped for as long as 9 days. Quite likely, without any source of natural light, they lost track of time, which certainly would help ease some of the panic.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by sabertoothed » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 2:59 PM UTC

nAwYz wrote: post #198

the_spacebyte wrote: post #178

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Here https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1015105500105412610 Yes it was not an official call for help, but someone asked. He even acknowledged that experts were already on the field, and his first reaction was to just send goods there before advancing with engineering ideas. Following your idea why were there so many civilian divers? Why not let the Thai military do the job? That's just PR. Those attention-seeking ba…

The difference between the divers and Musk is that the divers did it without announcing their plans on Twitter. They just when there and helped. I think it's good that Musk tried to help, but the publicity he got with it makes me question his motivations. There is also no need for personal attacks

He was asked to help. https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856

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Post by avar » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 2:59 PM UTC

kev6168 wrote: post #181

Man vs. nature, we are still bugs. What are your thoughts on how technology advancement in the next 30 years would change the way of this kind of rescue mission? Say in 2040, can a group of robots finish the mission in one day with ease? That will be awesome, people can be rescued from bad situations much sooner.

It'll probably change things so it'll never happen in the first place.

By that time even poor kids in rural Thailand will be carrying smartphones on them at all times.

Those, combined with location-based awareness will warn them just as they're about to enter the cave "uh, are you sure you want to do that? Look at the current weather forecast....".

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Post by _sbxe » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 2:59 PM UTC

I feel like we all really needed this story.

For once, there's nothing political or divisive. There's no one to be mad at. It's not "us or them".

The world's top experts came together, volunteered for a dangerous mission, sacrificed, and pulled it off. Ra! Ra! Humanity! Feels like a brief moment of redemption.

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Post by matthewmacleod » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 2:59 PM UTC

golergka wrote: post #214

roystonvassey wrote: post #168

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I find it even good for medical conditions, condensed history of major events, understanding geography and biography of actors, sportspersons and politicians. Actually, isn't it the * best * first website to learn about anything?

Please don't try to learn about controversial political topics there. The amount of editorial wars going on is stuggering - and the worst of it, you won't be able to tell when you're looking at a propaganda piece instead of an objective article because you need prior knowledge for that, and Wikipedia is exactly the place where people get their prior knowledge.

It’s usually insanely obvious, really.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by exDM69 » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:00 PM UTC

jonathanpoulter wrote: post #182

roystonvassey wrote: post #168

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I find it even good for medical conditions, condensed history of major events, understanding geography and biography of actors, sportspersons and politicians. Actually, isn't it the * best * first website to learn about anything?

I find learning mathematical concepts from Wikipedia very difficult

It's not the best resource for learning but Wikipedia is an excellent reference for a lot of topics in mathematics.

Some topics have excellent coverage, others are barely touched so ymmv.

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Post by vitalique » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:00 PM UTC

typon wrote: post #149

throwawayqdhd wrote: post #110

You really have to love Wikipedia. It's barely a week old and you already have a page with so many references and detailed information. Thank you, all the anonymous contributors.

Wikipedia is the best website for following: 1. Current events. 2. Sports tournaments. The information entropy level is quite high, with basically no ads, extremely good formatting (relevant tables, charts etc.), and relatively unbiased. This doesn't even mention the benefit of getting simple background information on the subjects with just a simple click (or even a hover these days) It's really a treasure.

There's a special portal for current events: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events.

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Post by datburg » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:00 PM UTC

dgritsko wrote: post #43

tgb wrote: post #31

Why wasn't the death of Saman Gunan more widely publicized? I barely heard about it - in the NYT article on this it's a single sentence 2/3rds of the way through the article. I'd have thought that the concept of someone sacrificing themselves for the recovery of 12 children would have been a major story. The Guardian's liveblog (or whatever this is) doesn't mention it in the first couple pages, nor do the responses o…

It was all over Reddit when it happened (which is where I heard about it).

Unfair life. I am glad the children are out of the nightmare. I feel crushed because a young man (navy seal) with bravery focused on helping as much as possible without thinking twice. RIP our hero.

God, if those children were doing an initiation endangering themselves. Remember the newborns dying in Syria, Africa and other places.

I wish the 13 well.

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Post by maxxxxx » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:00 PM UTC

trollsund wrote: post #226

maxxxxx wrote: post #27

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I don't know what went down but I think he should have asked the people on location what they need. Maybe he did... If he didn't it's just pretty arrogant to spend a little time on a problem you know nothing about and then publicly exclaiming you know a solution. A good idea now would be to send money to the family of the driver who died. That would be helpful.

Checked his Twitter feed, he talked with a few persons about their gear and how to help with pumps, power etc. So the sub wasn't the only thing he did. And yeah, he probably doesn't have all the domain knowledge needed, but I reckon he had some help. Example; the 6 or so people seen on the video when they tested the tube. I really can't see why people are bashing him. Yes, he was public about it, but he also created…

Let's hope he keeps working on it now and delivers something viable for the next rescue.