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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
#122I'm more surprised by the fact that they went that far into the cave in the first place! The coach should be in prison now for putting so many kids in danger and be the cause of a rescue diver death!
You are being down voted (probably too glib), but among all the excitement of everyone getting out, there is a rescuer who did die. There have been discussions about what responsibility people who act recklessly and put the rescuers in harms way should take (unprepared mountain climbers/ people who don't evacuate storms). I too was transfixed by the maps and cave cross sections and did wonder how they got in that far…
One factor in this discussion on what do to about "idiots" is: if it weren't for those people who do "stupid things" and require rescue, the rescue organizations would have to hire people to simulate real rescue conditions.
There are always situations that require rescue that are not the fault of the victim. We thus need prepared rescuers, and the best preparation is real situations. The problem with a simulation is it is unethical to send someone out without enough food/shelter to potentially survive. Thus you never get a real race against the clock where you have to make life or death decisions without enough information.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long. First, the first time I fasted I was quited stressed about it, and it was in controlled, cozy environment. Second, they didn't know if anybody would come. Not even if somebody could come. For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark, they wondered. I'…
>I'm awaiting for the unavoidable book/movie. Hollywood producers are already on the ground http://www.newsweek.com/hollywood-producers-head-thai-cave-r...
It'll probably take place somewhere in the US and white wash it with white actors. Maybe they'll make one of the kids (a girl) Asian to give a little nod to the original story.
Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
#124Can anyone explain how the heck they found the children in the first place? Seriously, I can't wrap my head around it. The kids were stranded 2.5 miles inside the cave. All anyone knew was that the kids didn't return form their hike. How does that lead to "Hey, let's dive into the cave and maybe we'll find live children"? I guess they were expecting the worst, but still.
The kids were known to explore that cave regularly. Presumably they had followed a consistent path into the cave (or had a destination in mind) but never got that far. Some caves are also fairly linear, but that may not have been the case here.
They actually went much deeper into the cave than they intended, trying to escape the flood waters (which had already blocked their way out).
Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
#125I was so glad to learn about it. This was such an unlikely rescue mission and amazingly heroic effort from everyone involved. If I was religious I'd say this was a miracle. Just very happy every one is ok.
The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long. First, the first time I fasted I was quited stressed about it, and it was in controlled, cozy environment. Second, they didn't know if anybody would come. Not even if somebody could come. For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark, they wondered. I'…
When contact was first made, they had no idea how long they had been in there and asked "how long have we been here".
Sat in the dark, with no night and day, the bodies internal clock gets shot to pieces. They would have had no idea whether they had been there 3 days or 30
Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of the money and equipment were donated.
While it may be true, not really the point GP was getting after. Cost or donation, can we expect the same for every child in need?
Especially in a place like Thailand where there is a lot of real poverty still.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> He also helped them by teaching them meditation, so as not to focus on their hunger. Learning meditation is hard. Learning meditation when you are scared, hungry and in such a bad situation is extra hard. So if the guy pulled it off with 12 terrorized famished kids for 9 days, he deserves his own temple.
People in general are able of amazing deeds under the threat of death. Unfortunately it's why we are able to wage war. Was watching a documentary on the Vietnam war the other day and one guy was describing how he felt like an automaton that was focusing only on survival, which kept him from going insane, while another guy was describing how he felt no pain from his bullet injuries while trying to stay alive alone in…
The Vietnam War, by Ken Burns?
Watched that episode with the South Vietnam veteran recalling that episode where he was left for dead (literally, by his own allies AND adversaries), crawled through the jungle for 3 days and only then felt the pain and smelled the nasty odor of the rotting flesh.
Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
#128I was so glad to learn about it. This was such an unlikely rescue mission and amazingly heroic effort from everyone involved. If I was religious I'd say this was a miracle. Just very happy every one is ok.
The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long. First, the first time I fasted I was quited stressed about it, and it was in controlled, cozy environment. Second, they didn't know if anybody would come. Not even if somebody could come. For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark, they wondered. I'…
People can live over 60 days without food, so maybe that part isn't so unexpected.
Water of course is a different story..I believe after 48 hours severe dehydration sets in...after 3 days...kaput.
Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, how dare he try to help.
I don't know what went down but I think he should have asked the people on location what they need. Maybe he did... If he didn't it's just pretty arrogant to spend a little time on a problem you know nothing about and then publicly exclaiming you know a solution. A good idea now would be to send money to the family of the driver who died. That would be helpful.
It's odd that you admit you don't know what went down but are still passing judgement.
Even if he did, he didn't interfere or impede rescue efforts and gave them a tool they could possible use in the future. It's cool and a nice thing to do, and doesn't really seem like a big deal.
Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued
#130I'm more surprised by the fact that they went that far into the cave in the first place! The coach should be in prison now for putting so many kids in danger and be the cause of a rescue diver death!
Calling for prison without knowing much is very harsh.
We don't know if the coach led them in or if he just followed them.
We don't know how far in they went initially. Maybe they just went a bit inside the cave and then increasing water levels forced them further in.
At least he stayed with the boys. Imagine if no adult had been there.
Blaming the coach for the death of the rescue diver is completely uncalled for. There is causality, yes, but it was hardly foreseeable to the coach - if he really led them in - that they would get caught by flooding and that as a result of that a rescue attempt would be launched in which a diver would die.