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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…

Call me cynical, but I couldn't help but notice Musk seemed to be going about his effort with the maximum amount of tweeting and publicity possible.

His efforts turned out to be a bit of a damp squib but that's because the rescue effort was launched earlier than expected due to coming heavy rains.

There was talk about having the kids wait in there until as late as November, or maybe a long process of drilling an escape hole.

If the rescue had begun a week or two later, perhaps Musk's gadget would have been used. As it is, the divers already had a plan that, by the time Musk arrived, appeared to be working well.

But yeah, he tweets a lot about his projects, and no doubt has some thought toward self-promotion.

He appears to follow through, so I can't be too cynical about his apparent opportunism.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

#62

Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…

It's "awesome" but the cynic in me sees this as PR stunts and nothing else. Every day 150,000 people die. The media "happened" to latch onto this story and make it the headliner for an entire week. Objectively speaking, and at the risk of sounding like a cold hearted bastard, the life or death of 12 people isn't important news compared to other things that are happening right now.

Then, types like Musk grabbed this opportunity to score some points in the public eye by appearing to take immediate and energetic action to solve such a massively popular and publicised rescue. In conclusion, I'm 95% sure the motivation was PR and not the goodness of their hearts.

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk had no business being involved. Really, 'inventing' a MVP prototype of a submarine which he 'tested' in a swimming pool and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? This was egoism at its finest, taking public credit for 'helping' with a rescue he wasn't invited or asked to help with. And the media ate it up hook, line and sinker.

>and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? It was a good alternative to telling them to hold their breath and dragging them through dark and claustrophobic submerged spaces... They tested it to make sure it was water-tight and easy to maneuver. Worst case you throw an oxygen tank in it and put a full-face regulator on each kid in the event it would have…

> Much easier to control a panicking child in a tube where he can't get at your hoses or slam his head into a rock.

Also much easier to get said child into a state of panic by sticking them in a claustrophobia-inducing tube. Also, whatever manoeuvrability characteristics the sub might have had, it was still a rigid tube bigger than the child inside. They were navigating caves, where some of the tunnels were hard to navigate by a single (flexible) adult. I _really_ wouldn't want to even chance getting the sub stuck on a tunnel.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Why wasn't the death of Saman Gunan more widely publicized? I barely heard about it - in the NYT article on this it's a single sentence 2/3rds of the way through the article. I'd have thought that the concept of someone sacrificing themselves for the recovery of 12 children would have been a major story. The Guardian's liveblog (or whatever this is) doesn't mention it in the first couple pages, nor do the responses o…

It was all over Reddit when it happened (which is where I heard about it).

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

#65

I'm more surprised by the fact that they went that far into the cave in the first place! The coach should be in prison now for putting so many kids in danger and be the cause of a rescue diver death!

You are being down voted (probably too glib), but among all the excitement of everyone getting out, there is a rescuer who did die.

There have been discussions about what responsibility people who act recklessly and put the rescuers in harms way should take (unprepared mountain climbers/ people who don't evacuate storms).

I too was transfixed by the maps and cave cross sections and did wonder how they got in that far.

The parents public statement to the coach was not to assign blame.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/07/parents-boys-tr...

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

#68

Can anyone explain how the heck they found the children in the first place? Seriously, I can't wrap my head around it. The kids were stranded 2.5 miles inside the cave. All anyone knew was that the kids didn't return form their hike. How does that lead to "Hey, let's dive into the cave and maybe we'll find live children"? I guess they were expecting the worst, but still.

They were expecting / hoping the kids to be in this "Pattaya Beach" part of the cave. The cave had been explored before on foot during the dry season.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call me cynical, but I couldn't help but notice Musk seemed to be going about his effort with the maximum amount of tweeting and publicity possible.

> Call me cynical Okay, you are cynical. But in all seriousness given the domain knowledge that Musk has at his disposal he was perfectly entitled to get involved. Tweeting his thoughts is pretty much how he rolls ...

In the end he made a lot of noise and then did not actually contribute anything to the effort.
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