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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by avoutthere »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #6
ryanmercer wrote: post #3

Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…

Musk had no business being involved. Really, 'inventing' a MVP prototype of a submarine which he 'tested' in a swimming pool and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? This was egoism at its finest, taking public credit for 'helping' with a rescue he wasn't invited or asked to help with. And the media ate it up hook, line and sinker.

> an existing rescue effort underway was working

From what I understand, he got involved while rescuers were still considering their options.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by sz4kerto »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #6
ryanmercer wrote: post #3

Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…

Musk had no business being involved. Really, 'inventing' a MVP prototype of a submarine which he 'tested' in a swimming pool and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? This was egoism at its finest, taking public credit for 'helping' with a rescue he wasn't invited or asked to help with. And the media ate it up hook, line and sinker.

I still think it's better than posting emotional tweets about the greatness of humankind. Real world activity vs. armchair activism.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by kikowi »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #15

Can anyone explain how the heck they found the children in the first place? Seriously, I can't wrap my head around it. The kids were stranded 2.5 miles inside the cave. All anyone knew was that the kids didn't return form their hike. How does that lead to "Hey, let's dive into the cave and maybe we'll find live children"? I guess they were expecting the worst, but still.

They found their shoes in front of the cave.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by rusk »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #15

Can anyone explain how the heck they found the children in the first place? Seriously, I can't wrap my head around it. The kids were stranded 2.5 miles inside the cave. All anyone knew was that the kids didn't return form their hike. How does that lead to "Hey, let's dive into the cave and maybe we'll find live children"? I guess they were expecting the worst, but still.

From what I recall, they used knowledge of the caves coupled with predictions of where they might reasonably have gone to escape the rising flood waters. It wasn't so much a stab in the dark, but it was still a very difficult and dangerous search, in the dark.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by WilliamEdward »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #6
ryanmercer wrote: post #3

Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…

Musk had no business being involved. Really, 'inventing' a MVP prototype of a submarine which he 'tested' in a swimming pool and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? This was egoism at its finest, taking public credit for 'helping' with a rescue he wasn't invited or asked to help with. And the media ate it up hook, line and sinker.

One of the biggest philosophical questions is whether helping people because you see it benefiting yourself is still a good deed... Ask yourself, does it really matter what his motivations for helping were? At the end of the day he was prepared to help. If someone volunteers at the soup kitchen not because they want to help people but because they need community service hours, are you really going to complain about that or call them a bad person?

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by ltc5505 »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #15

Can anyone explain how the heck they found the children in the first place? Seriously, I can't wrap my head around it. The kids were stranded 2.5 miles inside the cave. All anyone knew was that the kids didn't return form their hike. How does that lead to "Hey, let's dive into the cave and maybe we'll find live children"? I guess they were expecting the worst, but still.

They were signing their names on a wall of the cave, which was stated to be a tradition in the news reports that I read. So I think if was more like "why isn't [child] back from [explicit cave] yet?"

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by maxxxxx »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #7
bmmayer1 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk had no business being involved. Really, 'inventing' a MVP prototype of a submarine which he 'tested' in a swimming pool and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? This was egoism at its finest, taking public credit for 'helping' with a rescue he wasn't invited or asked to help with. And the media ate it up hook, line and sinker.

Yeah, how dare he try to help.

I don't know what went down but I think he should have asked the people on location what they need. Maybe he did... If he didn't it's just pretty arrogant to spend a little time on a problem you know nothing about and then publicly exclaiming you know a solution.

A good idea now would be to send money to the family of the driver who died. That would be helpful.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by Puer »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #15

Can anyone explain how the heck they found the children in the first place? Seriously, I can't wrap my head around it. The kids were stranded 2.5 miles inside the cave. All anyone knew was that the kids didn't return form their hike. How does that lead to "Hey, let's dive into the cave and maybe we'll find live children"? I guess they were expecting the worst, but still.

The kids were known to explore that cave regularly. Presumably they had followed a consistent path into the cave (or had a destination in mind) but never got that far. Some caves are also fairly linear, but that may not have been the case here.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by [deleted] »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #6
ryanmercer wrote: post #3

Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…

Musk had no business being involved. Really, 'inventing' a MVP prototype of a submarine which he 'tested' in a swimming pool and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? This was egoism at its finest, taking public credit for 'helping' with a rescue he wasn't invited or asked to help with. And the media ate it up hook, line and sinker.

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