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Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Finalized

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In contrast, the ICO for SingularityNET has actually done quite well and received 5 times the amount of demand expected for their token sale; they postponed the end of their token sale date to properly handle the overwhelming demand. Feels most ICO sites are giving them 4/5 rating on average, but we'll how that goes. I think the reason this one in particular is doing so well is that the purpose of the sale feels useful, which is "to let anyone create, share, and monetize AI services at scale". According to them, the world’s first "decentralized AI network" has arrived.

Anyone have thoughts as to why this ICO could be different? ICO Drops says it was a whitelisted ICO:

https://icodrops.com/singularitynet/

Interesting note from the website: "While we are aware that the AGI token is currently being traded on some exchanges, we do not encourage or facilitate this exchange trading in any manner. Speculative secondary trading is against the spirit of the AGI token and SingularityNET project. We strongly discourage speculative secondary trading and officially ask AGI token holders to act accordingly."

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As per your citation, ARPAnet came online in 1969 and emails were being exchanged by 1972, barely 3 years later. Blockchains have been around for 10 years now and every year they cause bigger problems without actually solving any.

> Blockchains have been around for 10 years now and every year they cause bigger problems without actually solving any. Being able to transfer value between two parties without having to trust anyone has value. We can argue about how much value, but it's non-zero.

> Being able to transfer value between two parties without having to trust anyone has value.

The value of a currency is based on nothing more than trust. It’s because people trust a (crypto)currency that it has a value; trust is the very thing that makes a dollar bill having more value than a random piece of paper.

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An ICO is an "Initial Coin Offering", it's supposed to be like an IPO except instead of offering shares, you're selling cryptocurrency coins. ICOs are usually framed as a way to fund a project or business, usually related to cryptocurrencies or blockchain technology in some way. The idea is that the project's success will increase the value of the coins you bought and you'll be able to sell them for more later. The m…

Is the company required to buy back the coins? I’m not sure I get the point of an ICO. It seems like a company issuing monopoly money. It even seems like this would have been possible before crypto—literally just Monopoly money to people and let them trade amongst themselves. I guess Monopoly money is easy to duplicate… but so is crypto in a way because you can just start your own currency that uses the same block ch…

Do you understand the concept of a stock share?

Well, just remove the company, the product, and the regulation, and that's an ICO.

The issuer of the coins/tokens do not have to buy anything back. The idea is that they will increase in value and function, and others will want to buy them from you.

It goes like this:

1. "RichCoin" is created and the creators begin selling them at 5,000 Richcoins for 1 Bitcoin. Ads are pushed across social media platforms and web communities are seeded with information that encourages people to invest.

2. 50,000 people spend a total of 1000 Bitcoins buying the first 5,000,000 RichCoins.

3. After public launch, 5,000 people sell their RichCoins to late investors, netting ~20% profits.

4. The remaining 45,000 people "HODL", hoping that their $1 RichCoins will one day become $100 RichCoins so that they can move to a private island and never work again.

5. RichCoins fall to 10% or less of their ICO value as all official websites disappear.

6. The creators of RichCoin, who long ago converted their 1000 Bitcoins to $5,000,000 USD, move to a private island and never work again.

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You can see the state (volume, # daily users) of some of these promised "dapps" here: https://dappradar.com . It is indeed a barren wasteland. And when a new popular ICO comes along, the Ethereum network struggles and fees skyrocket. It's weird because people compare it to the early days of the Internet... but the early Internet was useful from its beginning: you could at least send messages and files across the netw…

Well most of the victims of "dot bomb" turned out to really not be that useful. It turns out Amazon does just fine delivering dog food. However there were enough useful services for the web to survive its near implosion in 2000-2001.

Re: Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Finalized

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The article gleefully ignores the positive side of these investments documented by the authors of the study:

>We find evidence of significant ICO underpricing, with average returns of 179% from the ICO price to the first day’s opening market price, over a holding period that averages just 16 days. Even after imputing returns of -100% to ICOs that don’t list their tokens within 60 days and adjusting for the returns of the asset class, the representative ICO investor earns 82%.

Not saying I want to participate in any ICOs, especially now that a lot of frothiness has gone out of the market, but this article is clickbait garbage if they can't even summarize some of the main points from the abstract.

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> But more to the point, blockchains are useful now, just like the internet was. They're just not useful for all the things that are being promised (yet) How long do we have to wait to find a valid use case for blockchains? It's been 10 years now and we're still asking the same question.

> How long do we have to wait to find a valid use case for blockchains? It's been 10 years now and we're still asking the same question. Here are some use cases that I think are potentially legit: - Value transfer - Prediction markets - Asset trading/custody (not just cryptoassets, I mean, potentially real estate, equities, etc. can be tokenized) - Venture capital that is more transparent and open (the ICO space is o…

Eventually people are going to realize that

(1) all of these can essentially require transparency + encryption (i.e. git + signatures), not the whole blockchain,

(2) hence can be had without the huge energy losses (that come from many nodes (re-)computing the same result over and over, and

(3) centralisation is a feature most people want, because it helps resolve conflicts (à la Vitalik's centralised resolution of the DAO conflict).

Re: Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Finalized

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This is a serious question as I want to make sure I'm reading this right: CryptoKitties really had only 274 users in the past 24 hours? The USV/Andreessen company?

Yes, another source is here: http://www.rolldice.club/cryptokitties/ It's worth noting that at its peak when CryptoKitties transactions hogged the Ethereum network and made it barely useable, CryptoKitties had only 14k users.

Right.

I was thinking about combining CryptoKitties and Second Life type breedable animals to make collectable ponies you could go play with and show off in virtual reality.

But no.

Re: Half of ICOs Die Within Four Months After Token Sales Finalized

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Streaming money. What if you were paid by the second instead of by the hour? Or your bank account filled up live as you worked or performed services? Or companies that provided services to other companies were compensated in the same way? Businesses live and die by cash flow. What if cash flows instantly 24/7? What if you were able to do micropayments efficiently on the web? What if many contractual agreements betwee…

None of the what the crypto-currencies promise is impossible to do with a few independent central vendors implementing that same standards for payments and contracts. And centralized solutions will always be faster.

Centralized databases are faster. Centralized consensus is dangerous for the same reason that a dictatorship is dangerous. The organization in charge of said solution would exercise dramatic control over the execution of said code. You need not look very far into the past to see egregious examples of organizations abusing their centralized position over data. I shudder the thought of a centralized actor having the same precise control over all monetary transfers.

Meanwhile, the banking system itself is not centralized. It's quite slow to settle monetary transfers from bank-to-bank.

Right now, Lightning Network is live on BTC's chain. It's instant, near free, and yet it's decentralized.

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Is the company required to buy back the coins? I’m not sure I get the point of an ICO. It seems like a company issuing monopoly money. It even seems like this would have been possible before crypto—literally just Monopoly money to people and let them trade amongst themselves. I guess Monopoly money is easy to duplicate… but so is crypto in a way because you can just start your own currency that uses the same block ch…

Do you understand the concept of a stock share? Well, just remove the company, the product, and the regulation, and that's an ICO. The issuer of the coins/tokens do not have to buy anything back. The idea is that they will increase in value and function, and others will want to buy them from you. It goes like this: 1. "RichCoin" is created and the creators begin selling them at 5,000 Richcoins for 1 Bitcoin. Ads are…

Sweet.

Time to start RichCoin 2: Totally Different This Time

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