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Common Errors in English Usage

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Re: Common Errors in English Usage

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Maybe a list of common errors in English usage would be more useful if it were a manageable list. How about the 20 most common errors in usage. I'd bet (but surely there are some studies on this) that the following would appear near or close to the top of the list: it's for its; there for their; alright for all right; 'the reason is because', for 'the reason is that'; dangling modifiers; missing or unclear pronominal…

Umm.. What about then/than? That seems to be the most common mistake.

Re: Common Errors in English Usage

#42
post #27

It's great, but try reading the one on apostrophe's and see if you can still get it right every single time. We need some sort of academy anglaise to make decisions on the language and exorcise the apostrophe once and for all. Cursed thing it is.

I'm pretty sure you made an apostrophe mistake in "apostrohpe's" - the "s" is making "apostrophe" plural.

Re: Common Errors in English Usage

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says that, as a general rule, you should use 'use' instead of 'usage'. So I reconstructed the sentence to make it use 'use'. Also, the :) was intended to make it a bit of a joke.

> It says that, as a general rule, you should use 'use' instead of 'usage'. Nowhere does it say that. It says that only if both seem appropriate (obviously disallowing modifying the rest of the sentence -- that is clear from the context and the example). In this case, "use" doesn't seem appropriate at all.

Ok, you win. Although again I would like to point you to the initial smily, ":)", meaning, "joke".

Re: Common Errors in English Usage

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post #24
post #3

As I am always forced bring up in English grammar threads, without a formal (decidable) grammar or an agreed-upon body of work to signify "common usage," there is no formal way to decide whether any statement is grammatical English.

English isn't a formal language so it doesn't matter if there's no formal way of deciding grammaticality. Usage is mostly about imprecise, changing social conventions. That doesn't imply that it's useless to talk about it. We can talk about language usage more or less in the same way we talk about what to wear on such and such occasion.

That's not how I think about things. If you claim that a certain statement is "incorrect" English, to me that means you must have a decision procedure in mind. Sure, most of the time it's "common sense" whether something is grammatical: "The sky is blue" is fine and "They sky are blue" is wrong. However, the same applies to deciding whether programs halt or not. Most programs either halt quickly or are obviously infinite loops, yet we know a decision procedure that works on arbitrary programs is impossible.

I'm not suggesting that talking about grammar is impossible or pointless. I'm saying that for the discussion to make sense, there needs to be some formal way to settle whether something is grammatical or not. You could try to make a formal grammar for English, but that's probably futile. A better approach would be to choose a list of written works as the English "canon" and judge usage (hopefully as objectively as you can) against that body of work.

Re: Common Errors in English Usage

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post #10
post #3

As I am always forced bring up in English grammar threads, without a formal (decidable) grammar or an agreed-upon body of work to signify "common usage," there is no formal way to decide whether any statement is grammatical English.

You could say the same of pretty much everything. Just because something isn't perfect or provable doesn't mean it can't be useful. Just look at this as a guide to English grammar at the date it was written.

Actually, lots of things are formal. Statements in mathematics, assuming all parties agree on notation and convention, is formal. It's quite easy to decide if, for example, a statement in first-order logic is well-formed (correctness is another issue altogether, and as we know no formal axiomatic system can be consistent and complete).

To me, it's a contradiction to say "x isn't a formal language with a decision procedure for well-formedness" and "A is/isn't a well-formed statement in x."

Re: Common Errors in English Usage

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post #32
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also notice a lot of "eke vs. eek" here. Turns out there's this property called onomatopoeia that escapes many people.

In fairness, "eke" is a rarely used word. No such excuses for they're/there/their though.

Whether it's used rarely or frequently, it's still incorrect and I see it all over the place, which was my point...

Re: Common Errors in English Usage

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post #5

Maybe a list of common errors in English usage would be more useful if it were a manageable list. How about the 20 most common errors in usage. I'd bet (but surely there are some studies on this) that the following would appear near or close to the top of the list: it's for its; there for their; alright for all right; 'the reason is because', for 'the reason is that'; dangling modifiers; missing or unclear pronominal…

Loose vs. lose comes up far too often here. Also: http://www.uta.edu/owl/top20.htm

Mixing up "less" and "fewer" is quite common here as well.

Re: Common Errors in English Usage

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post #42
post #27

It's great, but try reading the one on apostrophe's and see if you can still get it right every single time. We need some sort of academy anglaise to make decisions on the language and exorcise the apostrophe once and for all. Cursed thing it is.

I'm pretty sure you made an apostrophe mistake in "apostrohpe's" - the "s" is making "apostrophe" plural.

That was a stab at irony, which apparently flew over the heads of most readers.

Re: Common Errors in English Usage

#50
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll still confuse people (generally outside Anglo-American culture) who are used to 24-hour digital clocks.

If they've not familiar with pm timing, they'll be confused for the entire afternoon, not just noon.

They'll almost certainly have encountered am/pm times before, but nobody teaches you the 12pm = noon convention.
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