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A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Re: A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Post by Arbalest »

baxtr wrote: post #6

It's a controversial issue, but I try to refrain from eating any type of dairy products (with mixed results) because of two main reasons: - It seems that science is supporting a vegan lifestyle for longevity/a longer health span [1] - Cows are so bad for the environment... [1] https://valterlongo.com/daily-longevity-diet/

Just waiting for synthetic foods. Science Fiction always likes to paint a picture that such things aren't as good as the "real thing". Sure that might be true in the earlier days, but I suspect that in the end they'll be superior. Though that'll be a long way away yet. Maybe around 2150 :P

Food preparation is one of those "adult" things I still struggle with, leading me to consume a lot of convenience things. Maybe if the world wants to move more towards veganism, we need more (pre-)processed food, just not from animal sources. Veganism is too tied to whole food and slow food movements for it to gain traction. The corporate world still sees it as niche, first-world and hipster enough to charge a premium where it does get involved.

Re: A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Post by yaleman »

21 wrote: post #7
debacle wrote: post #4

I love this picture: https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-BA230_0704MI_M... Something about the woman in the lab coat, with a generation of men standing around her while the older generation looks on, calf and all. It's very reminiscent of early 20th century paintings from the US.

There truly is a stock photo for everything. Business woman with headset and laptop milking cow: https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/woman-milking-cow-business-f... https://st2.depositphotos.com/4319567/7421/i/950/depositphot...

I... I'll be in my bunk.

Re: A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Post by GW150914 »

azinman2 wrote: post #12
21 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There truly is a stock photo for everything. Business woman with headset and laptop milking cow: https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/woman-milking-cow-business-f... https://st2.depositphotos.com/4319567/7421/i/950/depositphot...

Wow. I’d love to know the backstory on that.

Powerful drugs and paying by the hour seems like they have to be included in the necessary Venn diagram.

Re: A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Post by Simon_says »

cies wrote: post #19
mark212 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather milk them than kill them for hamburger and shoes.

For milk to come the cow needs to deliver a calf. How long will you allow the calf to drink her mums milk, before you decide that calf hurts your bottom line? Most commonly the calf is removed from the mom in a few hours, after which the mum is crying for her kid for several days. Dairy is super cruel, besides it being very unhealthy for humans (especially humans after their weening phase).

> the mum is crying for her kid

Sounds awful. Do you have a reference where I can read/watch more about it?

Re: A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Post by simonsarris »

baxtr wrote: post #6

It's a controversial issue, but I try to refrain from eating any type of dairy products (with mixed results) because of two main reasons: - It seems that science is supporting a vegan lifestyle for longevity/a longer health span [1] - Cows are so bad for the environment... [1] https://valterlongo.com/daily-longevity-diet/

Guy selling a book sounds like bullshit. A 2017 study finds "no evidence that following a vegetarian diet, semi-vegetarian diet or a pesco-vegetarian diet has an independent protective effect on all-cause mortality."

N = 267,180

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28040519/

Broadly speaking, a vegan diet is a diet of deficiencies. (Meta-analysis from oxford)

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408398.2018.1...

And probably harmful for brain health.

http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/vegan-diets-and-the-brain/?utm_...

Re: A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Post by cageface »

Simon_says wrote: post #24
cies wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For milk to come the cow needs to deliver a calf. How long will you allow the calf to drink her mums milk, before you decide that calf hurts your bottom line? Most commonly the calf is removed from the mom in a few hours, after which the mum is crying for her kid for several days. Dairy is super cruel, besides it being very unhealthy for humans (especially humans after their weening phase).

> the mum is crying for her kid Sounds awful. Do you have a reference where I can read/watch more about it?

This video sums up the dark side of the dairy industry pretty well:

https://youtu.be/UcN7SGGoCNI

Re: A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Post by nerdponx »

baxtr wrote: post #6

It's a controversial issue, but I try to refrain from eating any type of dairy products (with mixed results) because of two main reasons: - It seems that science is supporting a vegan lifestyle for longevity/a longer health span [1] - Cows are so bad for the environment... [1] https://valterlongo.com/daily-longevity-diet/

- As far as I know, there is no such thing as humane dairy. Calves are weaned and taken from their mothers very young. Cows are kept pregnant and eventually their bodies kinda give out. And that's the absolute best case scenario, where all their other needs are tended to and they are generally treated well.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Post by zdragnar »

baxtr wrote: post #10
21 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a weird one: > Select ingredients among those discussed in this book that your ancestors would have eaten. I'm pretty sure my ancestors never ate bananas, oranges, kale, quinoa, avocado and everything else which wasn't present in Europe 500 years ago.

In the book he is referring to the generation before your parents. I believe because they did not have access to anything that was produced by a chemical plant

For me, that generation also did not have access to kale, quinoa, or avocados. Bananas and oranges were a rare treat, because getting them fresh was utterly impractical and expensive where they lived.

One side were farmers, the other lower class city folk who got their chickens in cans, and had to over cook pork until it would shatter if you dropped it just to be sure that it was safe to eat.

That generation grew up without refridgeration; there was very little in the way of fresh foos during winter months as everything had to be preserved in cans or dried.

I for one ame glad for our modern food supply.

Re: A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Post by SteveGerencser »

Simon_says wrote: post #24
cies wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For milk to come the cow needs to deliver a calf. How long will you allow the calf to drink her mums milk, before you decide that calf hurts your bottom line? Most commonly the calf is removed from the mom in a few hours, after which the mum is crying for her kid for several days. Dairy is super cruel, besides it being very unhealthy for humans (especially humans after their weening phase).

> the mum is crying for her kid Sounds awful. Do you have a reference where I can read/watch more about it?

It is awful. We had a newborn calf die this year and mom called for it for 3 or 4 days. But we also only raise 4 or 5 new cows each year just for us and a few local friends. So our scale is much smaller than the large dairy operations.

Re: A Milk Startup Takes on 300M Cows

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Post by victor106 »

baxtr wrote: post #6

It's a controversial issue, but I try to refrain from eating any type of dairy products (with mixed results) because of two main reasons: - It seems that science is supporting a vegan lifestyle for longevity/a longer health span [1] - Cows are so bad for the environment... [1] https://valterlongo.com/daily-longevity-diet/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/well/eat/good-vegan-bad-v...
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