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Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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Re: Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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My wife's family has a different disease running through it, though one with very similar outcomes. Huntington's. It's genetic and dominant (so a parent having it means 50/50 for the children). Average age of onset is 38. Symptoms are a mixture of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's (both dementia and motor control issues). Her uncle was diagnosed at 38, her mother at 50. I wasn't around for the first one, but have been ther…

Yeah the only end of it is gonna be when people with such diseases stop having children, but just pointing out such an obvious solution generates all kinds of scorn from the people you are talking to, they seem to immediately think of "eugenics" and every other bad word and imagine you running a concentration camp... and not just people voluntarily using birth control to avoid the suffering of their own offspring tha…

Ill do you one better mandatory genetic testing as a kid illegal to pass on the disease. Penalty is a permanent tax of up to 10% of your income for life.

No more disease in one generation.

Re: Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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> Period. So ignorant. At least give those videos a look. There is actual science behind it You may want to post peer-reviewed research papers backing those videos instead. It’s a lot easier to review.

Here are the studies that those videos summarize, I would love to hear your opinion on the validity of the information: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/oxidized-cholesterol-as-a-c... You can see the sources by scrolling down and hitting the "Sources Cited" tab. Do you have reasons to believe that the information has been misinterpreted?

I don’t have any opinion on the validity of that information, I’m just suspicious of "evidence" exclusively presented as YouTube videos. Thanks for the sources.

Re: Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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Yeah the only end of it is gonna be when people with such diseases stop having children, but just pointing out such an obvious solution generates all kinds of scorn from the people you are talking to, they seem to immediately think of "eugenics" and every other bad word and imagine you running a concentration camp... and not just people voluntarily using birth control to avoid the suffering of their own offspring tha…

For most of human history, surviving childhood was 50/50. Growing old enough to see your kids start having kids of their own was also rare. When you have a short life span, later in life things aren't selected against. But never in our history have we had the tools and the knowledge that we have now. We will continue to understand and stop these diseases.

There is a lot of diseases that can't be cured and will not be cured; just like you can't separate two twins conjoined by the head there are many other things that can't be reversed; pretending every disease can be cured or will be cured is irrational and irresponsible, at least not with technology from this millennium.

Re: Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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Yeah the only end of it is gonna be when people with such diseases stop having children, but just pointing out such an obvious solution generates all kinds of scorn from the people you are talking to, they seem to immediately think of "eugenics" and every other bad word and imagine you running a concentration camp... and not just people voluntarily using birth control to avoid the suffering of their own offspring tha…

Ill do you one better mandatory genetic testing as a kid illegal to pass on the disease. Penalty is a permanent tax of up to 10% of your income for life. No more disease in one generation.

How many genetic diseases are there and what percentage of people have them.

Re: Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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There's a lot of scientific evidence that medical marijuana can remove beta-amyloid build up in the brain. There is also evidence that unknown spirochete diseases can cause Alheimer like symptoms. There is also cause for concern that bio-pesticides that are GMO based are can infect the brain and cause symptoms like this as well. I would definitely never give up if this happened to me. Antibiotics, antiparasite, diet…

> There's a lot of scientific evidence I would like to see this. Do you have a link to a peer reviewed study?

While I cannot commet on whether or not these are peer reviewed, this may provide some insight

https://www.alzheimers.net/6-15-15-effects-of-medical-mariju... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17140265 https://www.salk.edu/news-release/cannabinoids-remove-plaque...

Re: Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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I think the issue you are probably running into is a lot more nuanced then you are portraying it to be. Whether you are religious or scientific or some mix of both, creating offspring is a pretty fundamental instinct that is very deeply ingrained into humans. Logic might say "If you have a genetic abnormality you should stop procreating for the greater good of society/your potential offspring/yourself". But we aren't…

Being wired to think that way doesn't make it right under any light whatsoever; and I never say anything about enforcing anything; that's where the slippery slope starts by you and everyone else who thinks the same, where people pretend you are talking about enforcing, but you are just bringing the _option_ of not having children as a valid way to end the suffering, because even talking about such option brings all t…

Your approach might reduce the rates of these genetic illnesses, but it would not eradicate them, as most commmon genetic illnesses have a non-negligible rate of spontaneous occurrence.

Re: Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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Yeah the only end of it is gonna be when people with such diseases stop having children, but just pointing out such an obvious solution generates all kinds of scorn from the people you are talking to, they seem to immediately think of "eugenics" and every other bad word and imagine you running a concentration camp... and not just people voluntarily using birth control to avoid the suffering of their own offspring tha…

I think the issue you are probably running into is a lot more nuanced then you are portraying it to be. Whether you are religious or scientific or some mix of both, creating offspring is a pretty fundamental instinct that is very deeply ingrained into humans. Logic might say "If you have a genetic abnormality you should stop procreating for the greater good of society/your potential offspring/yourself". But we aren't…

The slippery slope argument is nonsense. By that logic taxes is a slippery slope to communism. Employment a slippery slope to prostitution :)

We should encourage people with rare generic deceases to use fertility treatments that filters out particularly bad genes; or adopt children instead.

Re: Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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This sounds insane to say, if you haven't lived with a parent or family member with dementia, but if that happens to me I really hope I have the nerve to kill myself.

I fervently believe its just a matter of time (hopefully the next 10 yrs) til we add "end-of-living power of attorney" to the list of documents that govern how we get old. This legal document would lay out instructions to implement assisted suicide upon reaching a (difficult I know) threshold of mental/physical impairment. With the exponentially increasing health care burden that aging baby boomers are inflicting on…

This gets insanely complicated legally and ethically, because there has to be independent proof of loss of mental competence (which happens when...?) - but paradoxically, assisted suicide legislation to date assumes a person is competent to make the decision for themselves.

Clearly both can't be true. So at best you end up in a brief window where someone can be assumed to be competent enough to understand their situation while also understanding that the competence may disappear in the near future - possibly by the time they've travelled to a clinic - and someone else will be making a life-ending decision on their behalf.

There also has to be no suspicion that anyone will benefit from accelerating the suicide option - which is not always as straightforward as it sounds, and would ideally have to be investigated explicitly on a case by case basis.

My mother had middle-stage Alzheimer's at 90, although - perhaps mercifully - cancer killed her before Alz could.

We had issues with power of attorney, because she was very clear she wanted to go home and live on her own, and it was absolutely obvious that she wasn't able to do so without endangering herself.

Aside from the emotional heartbreak of having to tell someone over and over every time you meet that they can't have something they really want - because she couldn't remember a conversation from minute to minute, never mind day to day or week to week - there were also a formal legal process involving two oversight bodies (local services, and the national Court of Protection) to make sure that keeping her in a home against her will was actually in her interests.

It would have been far harder if she'd left a living will saying "Please make arrangements for assisted suicide when it gets to this stage" and then apparently changed her mind as the disease progressed to the point where there was no possibility at all of mental competence.

Re: Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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Ill do you one better mandatory genetic testing as a kid illegal to pass on the disease. Penalty is a permanent tax of up to 10% of your income for life. No more disease in one generation.

How many genetic diseases are there and what percentage of people have them.

This is a very good question and puts the situation well into a perspective.

My cut feeling is that if we count every genetic disease then two digits are necessary to express this number.

Re: Having Alzheimer’s at 38 (2015)

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This sounds insane to say, if you haven't lived with a parent or family member with dementia, but if that happens to me I really hope I have the nerve to kill myself.

I fervently believe its just a matter of time (hopefully the next 10 yrs) til we add "end-of-living power of attorney" to the list of documents that govern how we get old. This legal document would lay out instructions to implement assisted suicide upon reaching a (difficult I know) threshold of mental/physical impairment. With the exponentially increasing health care burden that aging baby boomers are inflicting on…

Moreover many of us have seen people slowly disappear to Alzheimer.
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