Live data from Hacker News

Children Beating Up Robot Inspires New Escape Maneuver System (2015)

spectrum.ieee.org

51–60 of 63 posts

Re: Children Beating Up Robot Inspires New Escape Maneuver System (2015)

#51
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? What makes the living being" deserving of empathy, and the machine not? Why should "living beingness" be restricted to our genetic footprint? Is an animal any less deserving of being treated well when it is raised for food? Do children that aren't descended from someone deserve to be treated more harshly than one's own? As complexity goes up, and things develop to become more humanlike, at the end of the day, we…

Organic tissue and the ability to feel pain, for one. Why should anyone feel compassion for a bucket of nuts and bolts?

People sure love their cars!

Re: Children Beating Up Robot Inspires New Escape Maneuver System (2015)

#53
post #16

>If the robot is statistically in danger, it changes its course towards a more crowded area or a taller person. Just an avoidance algorithm. I think they are missing out on getting into robot/human social interaction psychology, which will become increasingly important. For instance, are there factors (likely) in the robot's appearance or behavior which make negative interactions more likely? So can they create a rob…

> are there factors (likely) in the robot's appearance or behavior which make negative interactions more likely?

I have to be honest, my first gut-reaction was this sounds like victim blaming.[1]

My second, after a moment to think, reaction is that that this is actually probably a lot closer that that phenomenon and the aspects that lead to it than I previously thought.

I think along the spectrum of "things that look alive and things that don't" (as in the experiment in the article where kids hold different things upside down), it extends all the way to "people that look or act like me and people that don't" which is how we get some of our more unsettling social behaviors.

Part of this is, as creators, taking care to not trigger negative social behaviors if we can, but it definitely feels like there's a social and cultural aspect we're still working on.

As a simple example, if a machine was able to demonstrate sentience and sapience, what percentage of people would be willing to treat it as such. I imagine it depends quite a bit on the country in question, and possibly region within country. Religion might matter quite a bit as well. If a machine is too abstract, or you get to caught up in whether true general AI is possible or likely, what about an alien intelligence? Should that difference matter?

1: I'm presenting this more as a general thought-piece, so hopefully the parent comment or anyone else that made similar comments doesn't take this as an attack, it's really not meant that way. I've made similar comments and thought similarly.

Re: Children Beating Up Robot Inspires New Escape Maneuver System (2015)

#54

Why did children abuse robot? Because it didn't fight back. I instantly remembered my primary school, because sometimes I felt like this robot.

This robot did not feel anything at all, lets not anthromorphize.

Were the children at an age where they could make that distinction? If not, then it doesn't matter whether the robot could feel anything, since it's irrelevant to the actions of the children involved.

Re: Children Beating Up Robot Inspires New Escape Maneuver System (2015)

#55
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It starts with a water gun. It ends with a plunger and the robot screaming EXTERMINATE.

A 2008 survey indicated that nine out of ten British children were able to identify a Dalek correctly.

Maybe a plunger is enough to scare british children not to mess with a robot?

Re: Children Beating Up Robot Inspires New Escape Maneuver System (2015)

#57
post #11

Do people in Japan let groups of small kids wander around malls like that? People in the US can be overly paranoid sometimes, but I don't think I'd be ok with that for my kids.

Yes, and it's normal here where I live (in Europe) as well. I used to always go to the toy store while parents were shopping.

It used to be normal here in the US....

Re: Children Beating Up Robot Inspires New Escape Maneuver System (2015)

#58
post #46

They’re playing. It’s fun to mess with one robot and not with the other. Mystery solved. Maybe it would surprise the researchers to learn that children don’t treat this as seriously as they do.

This. These researchers clearly don't have kids. This kind of behaviour is a big part of how they learn. Do something, see what happens. Keep doing it, see if anything changes. Intensify it until something else happens. To act surprised at this behaviour (gasp, so uncivil) or to frame these kids as some embodiment of evil (blocking and striking a robot!) shows they need to research Early Childhood Education as much as Robotics.

Re: Children Beating Up Robot Inspires New Escape Maneuver System (2015)

#59
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dont care. Ill pay the littering ticket. They pay for someone to come rescue the car.

Heh, until they make blocking driverless cars a state jail felony.

"False imprisonment"

Re: Children Beating Up Robot Inspires New Escape Maneuver System (2015)

#60

When it encounters a human, the system calculates the probability of abuse based on interaction time, pedestrian density, and the presence of people above or below 1.4 meters (4 feet 6 inches) in height. If the robot is statistically in danger, it changes its course towards a more crowded area or a taller person. So what you're saying is that we're teaching robots to profile! The interesting part came when they held…

> So what you're saying is that we're teaching robots to profile!

"Profile" is such an ugly word for what every single human is doing all the time every day.

Post reply on HN