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Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

I mean, this calories in calories out study is in the same NYT issue: "Exercise May Aid in Weight Loss. Provided You Do Enough." https://nyti.ms/2KMz7f9

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

You're really going to have to clarify what you mean by "this." Overeating is healthy?

I'd think the part about "what particular foods you eat doesn't matter"

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

Not the OP, but for all the people commenting below, I think what the OP means to say is that the body is a very complex system and calories from different sources absolutely do have different affects, on your ability to control fat storage and fat burning and to modulate your appetite. The laws of thermodynamics still hold - if you overeat it doesn't matter what you're eating, you will gain weight. But calories in c…

It is the Newtonian physics of nutrition. It is demonstrably wrong, yet following the rule will lead to success for just about every real life use case.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#44
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I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…

And I bet your kids don't exhibit signs of ADD, people probably wonder what magical app you found that makes your kids well behaved while theirs drinks 2 gallons of juice a day and are climbing the walls

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK... that is news to me... do you have a link to a paper that proves this demonstrably false? Disproving a law of thermodynamics sounds like a big deal. How does the new model explain people losing weight in adverse conditions? I'm watching someone steadily lose weight via calories-in-calories-out model in front of me right now.

Calories in - calories out. However, what goes out (urine, stool) depends on the type of nutrition and in what combination it is eaten. carbohydrates are the easiest to absorb, followed by fats and last protein.

I'd say accounting for hunger is also important since few people are going to be able to stick to a diet where they're hungry all the time.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#46
post #4

Repeat after me: overeating is unhealthy. What you happen to overeat is beside the point.

This is demonstrably false. No respectable scientist believes in the calories-in-calories-out model of obesity anymore.

Calories-in-Calories-out is a straight-up fact. The thing 'scientists' don't like about it is that even if you lose the same amount of weight, where you got your calories from will impact your health differently depending on whether it's a chocolate bar or an apple. Nevertheless, Calories-in-Calories-out is a true model.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#47
Seems like a drastic way to say like that juice is not as healthy as eating fruit, and is not a substitute for solid fruit. Also that it has a lot of sugar.

When you see this headline, you’d think they might be including fresh squeeze juice from a variety of fruits and vegetables. They seem to only be talking about things like Coca-Cola’s Minute Maid and Walmart apple juice that the average American feeds their children. I thought they might be talking about juice bars. It makes me wonder, have the authors ever heard about the gigantic national trend of drinking fresh juice? Because they don’t seem to be referring to it at all.

I don’t know why they don’t suggest that you could give your kids less sugary juice, fresh squeeze juice, orange juice from things other than oranges, grapes or apples. One thing they don’t seem to realize is that many parents give their kids HFCS soda pop. I could think of many parents who believe the only reason to not give their children mountain dew is the caffeine. It is a little healthier to give them juice. Especially the 100% fruit juice they’re condemning, which is a better grade even than most juice on the shelves.

I would agree that the pasteurized, filtered, old sugary juices sold in plastic bottles in grocery stores are not very healthy. But they contain far fewer enzymes and vitamins and fiber than fresh squeezed juice. Maybe they should recommend that parents buy a juicer, and give their kids diluted juice that also includes vegetables in addition to sweet fruit.

Personally, I have been on a very restricted diet, mainly liquids all year. I don’t have been drinking fresh squeezed juice to solve my caloric deficit, but don’t binge on it or buy store juice because it’s clear to me that the main component is sugar and I don’t want to tempt type 2 diabetes. I’d much rather eat the whole fruits and vegetables if I could, but in the meantime, it’s hard to believe that the juice of 5 apples, a bunch of chard, a beet, 2 carrots, a stick of ginger and some celery would harm me or children.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#48
post #13

I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…

Your last note about kids being wired on sugar, while pervasive and seemingly anecdotally supported, has not been proven out in the literature. Sugar has not been conclusively found to cause hyperactivity.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#49
post #13

I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…

Yeah, when our toddler is given juice, we dilute it with water for her. We’re trying to teach her that plain fruit juice is too sweet when drunk alone.

I typically drink carbonated water with just a little juice, for flavor.

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