Big Tech’s Hot New Talent Incubator: Community College

Post by themodelplumber » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 9:19 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #67

themodelplumber wrote: post #50

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"Fake it until you make it" is completely different from "lie until you are caught." Speaking from experience, lying is not a good idea. OP is competing against people who have put in work that he/she hasn't. That's just the reality. The best way in is to show the employer that they are a qualitatively superior employee. Networking and filters are _very often_ surpassed by leadership, sometimes even by creating new p…

Your anecdotes aren’t helpful compared to the macro scale at which employers disregard capable candidates due to unnecessary signaling requirements. I don’t suggest lying lightly, but it is sometimes necessary in the current environment.

Post by throwawayjava » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 9:23 PM UTC

samcheng wrote: post #4

This is an interesting reaction to the "bootcamp" trend (and subsequent implosion). I think it has a better chance of succeeding: you might not need four years of university education to become an entry-level developer, but a few weeks of intensive "bootcamp" training isn't enough.

Post by booleandilemma » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 9:40 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #67

themodelplumber wrote: post #50

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"Fake it until you make it" is completely different from "lie until you are caught." Speaking from experience, lying is not a good idea. OP is competing against people who have put in work that he/she hasn't. That's just the reality. The best way in is to show the employer that they are a qualitatively superior employee. Networking and filters are _very often_ surpassed by leadership, sometimes even by creating new p…

Your anecdotes aren’t helpful compared to the macro scale at which employers disregard capable candidates due to unnecessary signaling requirements. I don’t suggest lying lightly, but it is sometimes necessary in the current environment.

Post by skookumchuck » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 10:01 PM UTC

rapind wrote: post #81

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #52

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> As I mentioned, even if you don’t get the job or lose the job, you’re still ahead of not trying. I fail to see how poisoning your own reputation comes out as "still ahead"; that is absolutely guaranteed to get your résumé silently discarded. The tech community isn't that big, even in the tech hubs, and word does eventually get around both among engineers and recruiters.

I’m not advocating lying, but there’s no way this comes up, at least not at startups. Do you think we sit at the bar and discuss potential hires university degrees? If someone told me “watch out man, Stu lied about his uni education” my response is likely to be, “why would you tell me that and why would you think I cared?”. The gabber is going to look worse than the candidate by a long shot. Careful who you gab about…

Post by skookumchuck » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 10:11 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #44

themodelplumber wrote: post #40

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Don't do this. I have a client who did this, and he now wonders how many interviews he _missed out on_ over a 3-year period because the employer was interested but the college screening came up lie-positive. Many, many employers public & private do verify. And some people will start rumors if you are in a small community, or if they know someone you know. And if the employer later finds out that you lied, the lie wil…

What is your suggestion for OP where their resume is immediately discard because of no education? Networking and meetups won’t get you passed HR filters and corporate requirements. As I mentioned, even if you don’t get the job or lose the job, you’re still ahead of not trying. And you now have experience to put towards your next employer (and your old employer will only verify employment dates, as they don’t want to…