...how are these systems not airgapped?
Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
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Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is they're including requests for / A billion "hacks" per day seems a bit far fetched. At that point, it's either a visible act of war (if external to the US) or the FBI would be much more involved (if internal). Both of those would be much larger news.
Wouldn't it be a good estimator to include ANY connections coming outside of Utah? I hope that whoever is attempting to hack the Utah voting system has no nefarious purpose greater than changing "Mitt" to "Mittens.
Or outside the United States. You would think that they could somehow use geo-fencing that correspond to the districts that are under consideration. Rather than going back to paper counting some form of key-based two-way encryption that verifies voters within the state would be useful and more secure.
Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Voter ID cards are historically used to make it harder to vote Is that the case in the numerous other countries that require voter ID? I find it funny how we always use “but every other country does it!” when talking about things the US should adopt (e.g., the metric system, socialized healthcare), but that’s apparently not a good reason when talking about voter ID. Even countries with far poorer populations than o…
I have no idea why this has become a right vs left, polarized issue.
There's so much tribalism happening now. Getting legal Americans to vote and vote easily should be an issue for everyone to care about, regardless of party affiliation.
Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Voting requires ID in almost every other western democracy, including Canada. The rest of the world see it as very reasonable to identify yourself at a polling station. It's odd that this is so contentious in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws
IDs are not issued automatically in the US; they take money and effort to acquire. Therefore as implemented in the US, voter IDs are a poll tax. Unsurprisingly, this makes voter ID a political issue: those who benefit from poll taxes support them, and those whose voters are suppressed by poll taxes oppose them.
I think it would be reasonable to create a national ID card system and fund it through taxes. It could replace driver licenses and social security cards. I do not know why it would be unreasonable to require such a card for voting. It could also serve as a PKI system with the govt acting as a CA (i.e. manage issuance and revocation). There are non zero benefits. And this doesn't have to operate like a poll tax. I don't understand why this isn't already a thing. Seems obvious.
Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
#95Why would a voting system even need to be online?
Depends what you mean by "voting system". Individual voting machines rarely are - they're usually air-gapped, read the ballot from a physical memory card transported by sneakernet from administrative offices, and write vote totals back to those cards for sneakernet transmission to same offices. However, those central locations use a lot of internet-connected machines, mostly to communicate their numbers to outside sy…
Geez, just like... Give the voting software its own isolated network, and for external reporting force somebody to dump the results to a flash drive before uploading them to the web. I'm not even a security expert, but maybe I could get a job as one working for the US government.
Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
IDs are not issued automatically in the US; they take money and effort to acquire. Therefore as implemented in the US, voter IDs are a poll tax. Unsurprisingly, this makes voter ID a political issue: those who benefit from poll taxes support them, and those whose voters are suppressed by poll taxes oppose them.
You also need to wear clothes and shoes into the polling station. Are those expenses considered poll taxes as well? Straw man, but requiring ID is not really a direct poll tax. I certainly don't feel like I'm being unreasonably taxed when I vote with my ID.
You are thinking of this as a person who already has a government issued ID. If you don't drive and don't travel internationally there isn't much in life that would require you go acquire a government issued ID. If the only reason you need the ID is to vote, many people who don't already have an ID won't vote.
Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
#97...how are these systems not airgapped?
So the status quo can stay in power.
Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about finger paint, like most other countries use? You just simply get an unwashable ink on your thumb. It does a few things. It shows you voted already. Also, puts a little bit of social pressure on people you see who don't have the mark.
Never heard of that... fascinating! I don't think it's used in Croatia, Bosnia, US or Canada. Can you provide examples? Thx!:)
I'm not sure how unique it is to Iraq, but there were tons of photos of it on American news after that country was 'liberated'
Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
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It works here. Voting fraud is incredibly rare.
How do we know it's incredibly rare? What evidence would we need to know that all persons voting are actually valid voters? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We have cases in California of people voting with their dead relatives' ballots. This a lot easier with voting by mail.
There have been numerous studies proving that systemic (not andecdotal) voter fraud doesn’t exist.
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud...
And there have been public comments by GOP politicians saying they’re pushing voter ID laws explicitly to disenfranchise democratic voters.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/some-republicans-ac...
Race and voting demographics show Democrats have an edge nationwide that will continue to grow over the next decade and on. Republicans know this and this is why they hit mid-terms so hard. General voting is down and it’s easier to win. Add suppression methods, including psychographic warfare and they know they have a shot to rig the system.
This why Trump won and why our Supreme Court is going to take away the rights of workers, minorities, women, and immigrants.
Re: Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
IDs are not issued automatically in the US; they take money and effort to acquire. Therefore as implemented in the US, voter IDs are a poll tax. Unsurprisingly, this makes voter ID a political issue: those who benefit from poll taxes support them, and those whose voters are suppressed by poll taxes oppose them.
You also need to wear clothes and shoes into the polling station. Are those expenses considered poll taxes as well? Straw man, but requiring ID is not really a direct poll tax. I certainly don't feel like I'm being unreasonably taxed when I vote with my ID.
If you choose not to vote, you save that money and it effects your life in no direct way. You can't choose not to wear clothes and still expect to live a normal life. The point is if the ID was free, it would be different, because you'd have no incentive to not have one.