Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day

Post by xienze » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 9:11 PM UTC

jadedhacker wrote: post #24

propman wrote: post #21

Paper ballots, no machines and especially no machines connected to the internet...if we were able to get that crazy bug into Iranian nuclear reactors without direct transfer from Internet, then you can bet North Korea, Russia, Israel, and China will pour billions to do the same thing. Voting ID cards too, though I admit I don’t know enough about that. Even if it costs billions to get it done, confidence in fair and f…

The first is a good idea, but the second is not. Voter ID cards are historically used to make it harder to vote and thus compromise elections. In person fraud is very uncommon, and it would be very difficult for a foreign government to pull off a large scale interference without being detected. After all, we struggle to get people to show up to vote once already! The idea of mass ballot fraud seems difficult to count…

Post by fooker » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 9:12 PM UTC

greglindahl wrote: post #22

fooker wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use the same argument for banks.

The number of transactions in voting and at banks are pretty wildly different.

Post by xienze » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 9:14 PM UTC

erentz wrote: post #28

jadedhacker wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first is a good idea, but the second is not. Voter ID cards are historically used to make it harder to vote and thus compromise elections. In person fraud is very uncommon, and it would be very difficult for a foreign government to pull off a large scale interference without being detected. After all, we struggle to get people to show up to vote once already! The idea of mass ballot fraud seems difficult to count…

Right. The hysteria around double or fraudulent voting is crazy. You’d need thousands of people doing it in most districts to have any impact, and that would get obvious really bloody quickly. I think this is a pretty good example of what I find to be the typical of an American practice of cutting off their own nose to spite their face. [1] Americans absolutely hate the idea of freeloaders or someone getting somethin…

Post by devmunchies » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 9:18 PM UTC

xienze wrote: post #51

jadedhacker wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first is a good idea, but the second is not. Voter ID cards are historically used to make it harder to vote and thus compromise elections. In person fraud is very uncommon, and it would be very difficult for a foreign government to pull off a large scale interference without being detected. After all, we struggle to get people to show up to vote once already! The idea of mass ballot fraud seems difficult to count…

> Voter ID cards are historically used to make it harder to vote Is that the case in the numerous other countries that require voter ID? I find it funny how we always use “but every other country does it!” when talking about things the US should adopt (e.g., the metric system, socialized healthcare), but that’s apparently not a good reason when talking about voter ID. Even countries with far poorer populations than o…

Post by not_kurt_godel » Sat, Jul 07, 2018, 9:23 PM UTC

zemnmez wrote: post #37

to put this in perspective, this is one-quarter of Google's global search traffic, in hack attempts. 'hack attempts' are always bullshit but this is especially impressive