I find it very unfortunate that university is so expensive in the US. I grew up in a country where university education is mostly free and even students from low-income families get to go to best universities. I don't get how US cannot get university education cheaper.
Big Tech’s Hot New Talent Incubator: Community College
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Re: Big Tech’s Hot New Talent Incubator: Community College
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As I mentioned, even if you don’t get the job or lose the job, you’re still ahead of not trying. I fail to see how poisoning your own reputation comes out as "still ahead"; that is absolutely guaranteed to get your résumé silently discarded. The tech community isn't that big, even in the tech hubs, and word does eventually get around both among engineers and recruiters.
Rumors are a quick way to get sued. Are you ready to pay a settlement as an employer because someone’s resume has an inaccuracy on it? Sometimes there are benefits of living in a litigious society when it works in your favor.
You won't have a case if you're fired for lying on your resume. Lying about your education is not merely an "inaccuracy".
Re: Big Tech’s Hot New Talent Incubator: Community College
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't do this. I have a client who did this, and he now wonders how many interviews he _missed out on_ over a 3-year period because the employer was interested but the college screening came up lie-positive. Many, many employers public & private do verify. And some people will start rumors if you are in a small community, or if they know someone you know. And if the employer later finds out that you lied, the lie wil…
What is your suggestion for OP where their resume is immediately discard because of no education? Networking and meetups won’t get you passed HR filters and corporate requirements. As I mentioned, even if you don’t get the job or lose the job, you’re still ahead of not trying. And you now have experience to put towards your next employer (and your old employer will only verify employment dates, as they don’t want to…
He didn’t miss out in any. Background checks cost money and they wouldn’t haven’t done it until the pre-hire phase.
Re: Big Tech’s Hot New Talent Incubator: Community College
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rumors are a quick way to get sued. Are you ready to pay a settlement as an employer because someone’s resume has an inaccuracy on it? Sometimes there are benefits of living in a litigious society when it works in your favor.
You won't have a case if you're fired for lying on your resume. Lying about your education is not merely an "inaccuracy".
I’ve seen lesser cases win. You’d be surprised. Your tight knit industry community isn’t the general public.
Re: Big Tech’s Hot New Talent Incubator: Community College
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I did have a few professors among the normal “instructors” you typically find at community colleges. For example, one of my music professors had a Ph.D. and did transcription work that the college used.
Don't you need about 20 years of top tier papers to get to the rank of professor?
"Full Professor" is a just job title. Every institution has different standards.
In the US at least, there are thousands of (good) Bachelors, Masters, and sometimes even Ph.D.-granting colleges/universities that do not require an R1-level research agenda for the Full Professor rank.
And many students use "Professor" as a title for any instructor above the Highschool level, even for people who do not have the word "Professor" in their job title, such as ad juncts, full-time non-TT instructors, and sometimes even TAs.
This answer is US-specific
Re: Big Tech’s Hot New Talent Incubator: Community College
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Different countries and different schools define "professor" differently. The lowest rank in the US is often called "adjunct professor", which is a part-time position with no research requirements. Adjunct professors often only have masters degrees, as well. I don't think there's one single definition of "professor" that is true around the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_academic_ranks
Adjunct is grafted onto the side of the regular academic ladder, which goes assistant —> associate -> full professor, and then perhaps a named chair or professsorship (e.g. Lucasian Professor of Mathematics) The idea behind adjuncts was originally that you might hire someone on a temporary basis, either because of an unexpectedly large class or to offer a class on a special topic: a famous politician might offer a se…
It's worth noting that some departments at some universities have an alternative academic ladder for instructors. Even with something analogous to assistant -> associate ~> analogous-to-tenured -> full.
It's possible to treat teaching faculty well. And even necessary in some in-demand fields where the private sector options remove the option of treating non-traditional faculty like crap.
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Adjunct lecturing has terrible working conditions and benefits. It is a hobby, not a job. No one should do it as a job. Anyone who treats it as a job should be dissuaded from doing so as forcefully as possible to prevent further suffering. If you have a spouse with a good job and insurance or a trust fund by all means do it as a hobby, even an especially engrossing one. Anyone who describes themself as an adjunct pro…
> Teaching high school I looked into this in my state. Getting your foot in the door as a teacher in a public school would require someone with a PhD in say, mathematics, physics or computer science, to go back to grad school for a masters in education. Not sure that's an option, and is also ridiculous considering I just spent six years in grad school. You could do TFA as a backdoor, in many states, but that is proba…
Many states have backdoors that are regularly used to hire exceptional non-traditional candidates such as practicing Lawyers, experienced Engineers, and science/engineering PhDs (even PhDs in the humanities if the PhD is from a prestigious name).
But you need to get your resume in front of the right people -- namely, folks in the central office (or maybe principals) who view your area as a strategic/difficult hiring area. Easy peasy in CS these days...
Also check out private schools.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the other advantage is that at most community colleges you are required to branch out from technical topics and take at least a few humanities and liberal arts courses. You end up coming out slightly more well-rounded which can be hugely beneficial both career and life wise.
you're not required to do humanities/liberal arts at US universities?
It varies, but students are typically required to do anything from half a year to one year of breadth courses outside their major, which would mean arts and humanities courses for those headed into technical disciplines. But many students take what are called AP courses in high school which count as college credits, and quite a few students are able to satisfy breadth requirements that way. And some narrow programs, such as engineering degrees, require next to no work outside the main field of study.
On the other hand, at some institutions one can satisfy the major minimally without a whole lot of courses, leaving plenty of time for non-technical courses.
So to summarize, there is a lot of variability. A US graduate in a technical discipline may have taken anywhere from zero to two years of arts and humanities courses.
Re: Big Tech’s Hot New Talent Incubator: Community College
#79Perhaps this is a bit unrelated, but when I was in High School I participated in a program called A+ which provided HS graduates with free tuition for any community college in the state. The program was very easy to complete - I believe it was about 50 hours worth of tutoring sessions with kids at your school. When I graduated in 2003, I ended up getting 3 years of free Community College as long as my GPA was above 3.5. This was a fantastic way for me to save money. I even milked the 3rd year just to take up courses I found interesting, but had nothing to do with computer science. As far as I know this program is still offered in several states.
Re: Big Tech’s Hot New Talent Incubator: Community College
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As I mentioned, even if you don’t get the job or lose the job, you’re still ahead of not trying. I fail to see how poisoning your own reputation comes out as "still ahead"; that is absolutely guaranteed to get your résumé silently discarded. The tech community isn't that big, even in the tech hubs, and word does eventually get around both among engineers and recruiters.
Rumors are a quick way to get sued. Are you ready to pay a settlement as an employer because someone’s resume has an inaccuracy on it? Sometimes there are benefits of living in a litigious society when it works in your favor.
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