Voting ID cards too, though I admit I don’t know enough about that. Even if it costs billions to get it done, confidence in fair and free elections is the cornerstone of our democracy.
Utah voting system fending off 1B hacking attempts per day
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#23What's the lowest error rate you have ever seen in a practical security product?
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#24Paper ballots, no machines and especially no machines connected to the internet...if we were able to get that crazy bug into Iranian nuclear reactors without direct transfer from Internet, then you can bet North Korea, Russia, Israel, and China will pour billions to do the same thing. Voting ID cards too, though I admit I don’t know enough about that. Even if it costs billions to get it done, confidence in fair and f…
After all, we struggle to get people to show up to vote once already! The idea of mass ballot fraud seems difficult to countenance without literally paying masses of people to vote (which I believe is extremely illegal).
EDIT: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597
EDIT 2: If you want to see real foreign interference, check out that time that Bill Clinton publicly aided the election of Boris Yeltsin.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/23/world/russia-and-imf-agre...
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#25Paper ballots, no machines and especially no machines connected to the internet...if we were able to get that crazy bug into Iranian nuclear reactors without direct transfer from Internet, then you can bet North Korea, Russia, Israel, and China will pour billions to do the same thing. Voting ID cards too, though I admit I don’t know enough about that. Even if it costs billions to get it done, confidence in fair and f…
What is needed is verification against double voting. You must enroll, and so long as you’re enrolled, your name and zip code are on the roll. You go to one of the polling booths for your area. Your name gets ticked off when you vote. If it’s already ticked off then you cry fowl and an investigation must begin why. This seems to work on most of the world not sure why it wouldn’t work here.
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#26Paper ballots, no machines and especially no machines connected to the internet...if we were able to get that crazy bug into Iranian nuclear reactors without direct transfer from Internet, then you can bet North Korea, Russia, Israel, and China will pour billions to do the same thing. Voting ID cards too, though I admit I don’t know enough about that. Even if it costs billions to get it done, confidence in fair and f…
I’m not sure why ID cards are necessary. If we wanted to do that we would need to make them very easy and free for everybody to get, including getting them on the day of the election. Otherwise it becomes too much of a tool to deny part of the population the ability to vote. (Which is sadly how it’s been used so far in the USA as far as I can tell.) What is needed is verification against double voting. You must enrol…
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#27If they have such hacking attempts, console access should be gated by a jumpbox that SSH/ipsec secured by SPA portknocking. For external services, have transparent proxies with deep SPI/IPS and IP acls out in front.
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#28Paper ballots, no machines and especially no machines connected to the internet...if we were able to get that crazy bug into Iranian nuclear reactors without direct transfer from Internet, then you can bet North Korea, Russia, Israel, and China will pour billions to do the same thing. Voting ID cards too, though I admit I don’t know enough about that. Even if it costs billions to get it done, confidence in fair and f…
The first is a good idea, but the second is not. Voter ID cards are historically used to make it harder to vote and thus compromise elections. In person fraud is very uncommon, and it would be very difficult for a foreign government to pull off a large scale interference without being detected. After all, we struggle to get people to show up to vote once already! The idea of mass ballot fraud seems difficult to count…
I think this is a pretty good example of what I find to be the typical of an American practice of cutting off their own nose to spite their face. [1] Americans absolutely hate the idea of freeloaders or someone getting something they don’t deserve that they would rather make everything in life more complicated, less efficient, and harder on everyone (including themselves) than allow a little bit of inefficiency in the system to be accepted as the trade off. In this case it’s the hysteria around a few cases of voter fraud out of hundreds of millions, so they’d prefer to see a system enacted in which tens of millions of voters will be disenfranchised. Silly and out of proportion.
[1] this doesn’t seem to be the saying I want for this situation but I couldn’t think of a more appropriate one.
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#29If this were true, and the error rate in defending was only 0.00001%, it would still be hacked several times a day. What's the lowest error rate you have ever seen in a practical security product?
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure why ID cards are necessary. If we wanted to do that we would need to make them very easy and free for everybody to get, including getting them on the day of the election. Otherwise it becomes too much of a tool to deny part of the population the ability to vote. (Which is sadly how it’s been used so far in the USA as far as I can tell.) What is needed is verification against double voting. You must enrol…
It works here. Voting fraud is incredibly rare.
Also, voter fraud is incredibly rare in the US, and we didn't need ID cards to accomplish that.