Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

A website where opinions/posts don't get to the top based on likes from others

argoledo.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 49 posts

Re: A website where opinions/posts don't get to the top based on likes from others

#11

Post by dmortin »

meesterdude wrote: post #6

can't pronounce the name easily; maybe/probably noneglish based? reading one of the posts about ads, the admin writes: > We are going to have to implement ads at some point anyway oh that sounds like a fun rollercoaster to ride again. > I know ads can be annoying, that's why we try to use them in an non intrusive way that can benefit both us and the users. total wanker. ads do not benefit users, and saying they do me…

> total wanker. ads do not benefit users

So would you be prepared to pay for every site you visit? I visit dozens of sites a day (e.g. by following links to new articles). If you had to pay for all of them it would quickly come up to a hefty bill.

One alternative could be micropayments, so you don't have to pay a monthly bill for the site, you'd only pay for the pages you visit. But until there is no generally accepted solution for this yet, ads are the only way to keep the net free.

Re: A website where opinions/posts don't get to the top based on likes from others

#12

Post by rwmj »

I'm really glad that people are experimenting with commenting systems. There have been better systems in the past than Reddit or HN (such as Slashdot & Kuro5hin). Some ideas which could be explored again:

* Whether you should be allowed to both post comments and vote on a single article.

* Whether you should have a limited or unlimited number of votes per day or per article.

* Whether established users can apply multiple up/down votes to a comment.

* Should votes happen along other axes than up/down (eg. "Funny", "Interesting", "Relevant""Off-topic").

* How could meta-moderation be made to work without it seeming like a slog to review other people's voting?

* Can we see who voted on a comment?

* Can we display comments in a more relevant order? At the moment the highest voted top comments are spread down the page, mixed in with lower voted replies.

* Should there be a limited or unlimited range of voting? Is a -15 comment substantively different from a -20 comment, probably not.

Re: A website where opinions/posts don't get to the top based on likes from others

#13

Post by megamindbrian2 »

rwmj wrote: post #12

I'm really glad that people are experimenting with commenting systems. There have been better systems in the past than Reddit or HN (such as Slashdot & Kuro5hin). Some ideas which could be explored again: * Whether you should be allowed to both post comments and vote on a single article. * Whether you should have a limited or unlimited number of votes per day or per article. * Whether established users can apply mult…

Slashdot is the grim reaper of commenting.

Re: A website where opinions/posts don't get to the top based on likes from others

#14

Post by rwmj »

megamindbrian2 wrote: post #13
rwmj wrote: post #12

I'm really glad that people are experimenting with commenting systems. There have been better systems in the past than Reddit or HN (such as Slashdot & Kuro5hin). Some ideas which could be explored again: * Whether you should be allowed to both post comments and vote on a single article. * Whether you should have a limited or unlimited number of votes per day or per article. * Whether established users can apply mult…

Slashdot is the grim reaper of commenting.

> Slashdot is the grim reaper of commenting.

I've no idea what it's like now, but in its heyday you could set your comment threshold to +3 or +5 to read the dozen or so most insightful comments on each topic. That was a great reader-friendly time-saving device. As far as I know that's not possible on HN.

Re: A website where opinions/posts don't get to the top based on likes from others

#17

Post by toofy »

dmortin wrote: post #11
meesterdude wrote: post #6

can't pronounce the name easily; maybe/probably noneglish based? reading one of the posts about ads, the admin writes: > We are going to have to implement ads at some point anyway oh that sounds like a fun rollercoaster to ride again. > I know ads can be annoying, that's why we try to use them in an non intrusive way that can benefit both us and the users. total wanker. ads do not benefit users, and saying they do me…

> total wanker. ads do not benefit users So would you be prepared to pay for every site you visit? I visit dozens of sites a day (e.g. by following links to new articles). If you had to pay for all of them it would quickly come up to a hefty bill. One alternative could be micropayments, so you don't have to pay a monthly bill for the site, you'd only pay for the pages you visit. But until there is no generally accept…

> ads are the only way to keep the net free.

Do we really believe this? My understanding from people who were around back in the day say the web was far better before the web was a giant shopping mall and ad supported sites took over everything.

I don’t know if it’s the usual “back in my day things were better” thing happening or whether they’re correct, but a web full of content produced by people who are hobbyists and do so because they enjoy sharing their passion sounds way better than a web full of garbage that is clickbaited solely to maximize the amount of money coming in from ad support. In my experience hobbyists sharing a passion is almost always more enjoyable and of a higher quality.

I do recognize there is a middle ground in there somewhere, but I’m not at all convinced the web would somehow disappear without obnoxious ads. People would still create content just like they did before ads and before tracking had infested everything.

Re: A website where opinions/posts don't get to the top based on likes from others

#18

Post by FrozenVoid »

There is an easy alternative to voting system. Rating=Number of comments - C*hours passed since post. where C is some site-specific activity variable.

Same could be applied for comments without time factor: Rating=Number of replies/posts in subthread tree spawned by post

Re: A website where opinions/posts don't get to the top based on likes from others

#20

Post by Strilanc »

FrozenVoid wrote: post #18

There is an easy alternative to voting system. Rating=Number of comments - C*hours passed since post. where C is some site-specific activity variable. Same could be applied for comments without time factor: Rating=Number of replies/posts in subthread tree spawned by post

Incentivizing number of comments puts flame wars and chain letters at the top.
Post reply on HN