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Re: The App Store turns 10

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With Linux desktops I have to know command line stuff and risk having to debug initial wifi issues myself.

>debug initial wifi issues myself. But doesn't that make you better at troubleshooting and fixing problems in Linux -- a useful skill to have?

I don't use Linux.

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Apt is so close. So close! The one feature that would make it so much better is to be able to export the list of packages that I’ve directly asked for (maybe you can do that?). On the other side, apt install could consume that. Being able to take a new machine running, say, Ubuntu 18.04 and get all of the stuff installed that I had on my old 14.04 box in a really easy way would be deadly.

Package names/dependencies change through releases, but you can kinda do what you want via dpkg. Export the packages: dpkg --get-selections > list.txt Then install those same packages on a new box: dpkg --set-selections

Ohhhhhhh that's pretty cool!

Just looking through the list here though, that's going to dump out the list of all of the installed packages, not just the ones I've requested explicitly I think. That's the part that the App Store gets really right. I still want all of the dependencies for the packages that are getting installed, but a way shorter list of "these are the things you've explicitly asked for"

It seems like that is actually inside Apt somewhere too... since it does keep track of packages to auto-remove when their reverse dependencies go away.

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Mobile apps are not as good as portable apps where I can actually go back to an older version if I want to.

I don't want to think about versions of apps. I just want to use the app.

Then why do you use a Windows laptop? Get a Chromebook, or something else designed for people who don't actually want a personal computer.

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I don't want to think about versions of apps. I just want to use the app.

Then why do you use a Windows laptop? Get a Chromebook, or something else designed for people who don't actually want a personal computer.

I like to play and code video games.

Re: The App Store turns 10

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Whenever I get a new Windows laptop, the first four or five hours are spent reinstalling software that I use on a daily basis. I can just leave a new phone next to the router. With windows, I have to sit and monitor a lot of things for those four hours along with hunting down the most updated executables and setup files. I feel that mobile got software distribution correct. Thanks a ton, Scott Forstall.

I agree with you and I have often hypothesized to myself that the only reason the world wide web was ever a thing is because software distribution on Windows was such a terrible experience.

That being said, I'm sure Windows could have done some stuff better, but it came of age in a hardly connected era and you need omnipresent internet connections for the mobile software distribution model, so it's kinda hard to blame Microsoft too much for being able to see around the corner.

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I strongly disagree. Finding a product on Amazon is significantly easier than finding something in the App Store. Sometimes even if you know the exact name of the app you literally cannot access it unless you have the URL. Their search is awful and forget browsing with the amount of content.

Well, unless you're talking about the Kindle Fire App Store- which is magnitudes worse than the App Store. The Play Store (other than the horrific naming) strikes a decent balance, but isn't particularly great either. Don't know why app stores seem to be so challenging for all the players in the space.

Probably because for apps there isn't a rich interconnected web of linked content to tell an algorithm what it needs to know in order to provide a good search experience. Google kinda got lucky in the sense that the discussion about the web happens on the web.

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With the huge exception of Spotlight on Mac OS

Spotlight is absolutely horrendous?

I think it works slightly better than search in Windows 10, and importantly, Apple was first to the punch to bundle an indexing search engine into the OS. Microsoft followed with Windows Vista.

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Mobile apps are not as good as portable apps where I can actually go back to an older version if I want to.

I don't want to think about versions of apps. I just want to use the app.

If some app removed a function that you depended on in a newer version, you'd want to go back to the old version. At that point, you wouldn't be able to just use the app.

Then you'd have to spend your time waiting for the author of your walled-garden app to fix the problem or spend your time finding a different app to use and then spend more time transitioning to it.

In any case, I think that the trade-off needs to be acknowledged for what it is. You're trading your freedom for convenience. Of course this is the American way, what with all the overflowing amounts of freedom that we have.

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I don't want to think about versions of apps. I just want to use the app.

If some app removed a function that you depended on in a newer version, you'd want to go back to the old version. At that point, you wouldn't be able to just use the app. Then you'd have to spend your time waiting for the author of your walled-garden app to fix the problem or spend your time finding a different app to use and then spend more time transitioning to it. In any case, I think that the trade-off needs to b…

Please stop thinking like a developer. Firstly that very rarely happens in the apps that I use from the Play/App Store. Secondly, if an app has a dealbreaker, I'll just use another one.

Most people don't think "Oh man I love Instagram v50.1.2",they just use Instagram.

Re: The App Store turns 10

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If some app removed a function that you depended on in a newer version, you'd want to go back to the old version. At that point, you wouldn't be able to just use the app. Then you'd have to spend your time waiting for the author of your walled-garden app to fix the problem or spend your time finding a different app to use and then spend more time transitioning to it. In any case, I think that the trade-off needs to b…

Please stop thinking like a developer. Firstly that very rarely happens in the apps that I use from the Play/App Store. Secondly, if an app has a dealbreaker, I'll just use another one. Most people don't think "Oh man I love Instagram v50.1.2",they just use Instagram.

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