I guess we will all have to wear a full face of juggalo makeup to remain anonymous in public from now on.
If you haven't noticed, we've been outlawing the ability to obfuscate yourself from these systems as we've been building them.
Yes, Amazon Is Tracking People
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The fact that your face can be tracked does not mean your speech will be curtailed, those two things are fairly unrelated. Anonymity is one of the most effective tools for preserving free speech. If you can't speak anonymously, you're more likely to self censor what you say. If you can't consume information anonymously, you're unlikely to seek out or research unpopular views or ideas. Barring massive social changes…
I agree with some of the principles you're articulating here, but I think the general class of position you're taking here is a bad one. Free speech has an actual meaning. It means the government does not restrict speech. Tracking people does not restrict speech. It may impose a social cost on you for speaking, but it does not prevent you from doing so. Nowhere in the constitution of the United States, nor any consti…
I disagree that freedom of speech can be so neatly boxed into such a narrow definition, but that isn't really the point I was trying to make.
Ignoring broader social issues and focusing purely on the government, citizen monitoring can be (and often is) utilized by governments to curtail free speech. People joke about the NSA monitoring them, but that absolutely has an impact on free speech - people are less likely to search something online the government finds distasteful when they know they're being monitored. Note that this is true even if the thing they'd search is legal.
If the government can monitor which events you show up at or what you read, does that make you more likely to be put on a no-fly list? Does that make it more likely for the government to pursue a separate legal action that it otherwise might ignore?
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a European goes there, he’ll have to sign a GDPR agreement? but if the city grew tired of that, they could forbid access to Europeans altogether. Which I’m not surprised would happen one day, perhaps not under this form, but becausr of our overprotected status.
But it is the us government in us territory. Does gdpr even apply to other governments?
no
Re: Yes, Amazon Is Tracking People
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
>just spin up your NN on any of the cloud platforms available "just"... Amazon marketed it to police explicitly, I'm pretty sure the open source team working on TensorFlow isn't going around suggesting you plop a model on Linode and use it to catch criminals. This isn't something that police departments have the ability or skill to discover and implement on their own, setting the menial bits up for them and suggestin…
> Amazon marketed it to police explicitly I don't see that in the article. Can you provide a source for that? > This isn't something that police departments have the ability or skill to discover and implement on their own, setting the menial bits up for them and suggesting a solution is half the battle with government stuff like this. It's something I have the ability to do on my own. Any police department could hire…
"Amazon marketing materials promoted the idea of using Rekognition in conjunction with police body cameras in real time"
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/22/amazon-re...
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#75> Amazon’s facial recognition service, Rekognition, is designed to identify and track people going about their daily business. This isn’t hyperbole - a Rekognition spokesperson explicitly mentioned real-time tracking and identification at an Amazon Web Services summit earlier this year. The same spokesperson went on to call Orlando a “smart city,” with cameras everywhere that allow authorities to track persons of int…
I wonder what the GDPR implications of this are.
First of, law exists (i.e. "means anything") only if you have the means to enforce it, like armed squads to terrorize the population or a leverage of some other kind. Like, for example, Amazon (wherever it's located) probably has to abide to GDPR as long as it wants to sell to EU customers. Orlando city, located in the US under US jurisdiction, and not trying to sell anything to anybody in the EU doesn't give a fuck about European laws, even if they stated that Orlando should.
Second, it seems to be a popular misunderstanding, that GDPR affects Europeans everywhere they go and you need person's confirmation to store his data. It affects people currently located in Europe, and there are listed multiple very vague excuses for storing user's data without explicit consent, like "in order to protect the vital interests of the data subject or of another natural person", with which global tracking by law enforcement agencies could be easily justified.
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#76Kind of confused why Rekognition continues to be made into the 'bad guy' here. Even if stronger protections are rolled out for this it's become far too easy to make these types of systems to do a great job of keeping them at bay at this point. Most people with programming experience could roll out a reasonably accurate facial comparison/recognition model like Rekognition and deploy it to a Raspberry Pi without expell…
Your argument is that because other people can do it, that makes it OK for Amazon to do it. If you ever have children, wait for them to make this same argument. It should happen around the age of five.
Here on Hacker News I’ve read the opposite. Whenever any new technology product is offered by Amazon the refrain is always “that can be replicated with x, y, z”.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
It may be available to be licensed for use in the private sector, but it is hardly a "public service." Without exaggeration, I think it would be closer to the truth to call it a "public menace".
That’s a little dramatic, don’t you think? With the exception of public figures, they aren’t sharing facial recognition datasets. This is a service that a moderately skilled team could implement with off the shelf and free software or an individual could do with a raspberry pi. Law enforcement has been doing this for a long time in many areas. If there’s an ethical issue here, it’s with machine learning and camera su…
Amazon is still facilitating it. If you’re selling guns to someone you know is a a serial killer, “someone else would have sold them a gun” is not a defense.
Edit: especially if you run ads about how effective your guns are for serial killing.
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#78As long as I or you can use it to track the coming and going of your Congressman and Senators, at the same price that Amazon charges others, I guess it is okay. That nice townhouse he visited with the attractive blonde who lives there, while his wife was out of town? It's ok for me to track and then publish the info, right? We're all equal when we are in public view, right?
I've long wanted to setup a system like this. Cameras facing all entrances and exits of the state capitol would be fed into ALPR and facial recognition software. There are enough photos of elected officials to train facial recognition. It would be easy to identify who is coming and going, what cars they own, who they travel with, and their patterns.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry sir, we can’t let you through customs until you Accept the U.S. Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.
Sounds funny, but this could actually happen. By entering the country you agree to give up your EU rights, or turn around and get back on the plane.
That was a past station years ago:
https://www.lufthansa.com/us/en/Data-collection-for-the-USA
https://www.dw.com/en/eu-us-strike-deal-on-sharing-transatla...
And all in the name of combating terrorism.
Re: Yes, Amazon Is Tracking People
#80As long as I or you can use it to track the coming and going of your Congressman and Senators, at the same price that Amazon charges others, I guess it is okay. That nice townhouse he visited with the attractive blonde who lives there, while his wife was out of town? It's ok for me to track and then publish the info, right? We're all equal when we are in public view, right?
That just sounds like journalism to me, so: "Yes, it's ok."
Says you. But will the police/FBI/DA agree, or say it's terroristic stalking?